Elsalvajeloco Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Okay it's on the 2/2/85 episode. Quote -It’s a Butch Reed music video, and Bill Watts doesn’t shy away from the nepotism at all, freely admitting that the other people in the music video are his sons and their friends, which gives us our historic first glimpse of Erik Watts on a professional wrestling telecast. And he has a mustache. AND HE’S POP-LOCKING. Stop the show, we’re already done. This wouldn't be the low point for Erik Watts, believe it or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Funny, on the heels of THE FOOTAGE in AEW, we're talking about a lot of stuff done on Mid South TV shows that would get you absolutely ridiculed and mocked in today's social media age. To the point where you delete and scrub all your accounts. Honestly, I take a lot of stuff being done by Bill as well intentioned. However, the music video with his kids, putting over local business partners, sucking up to local famous people, etc. is very disarming but somehow very non pro wrestling. It's very local guy made good. Like he should have a bunch of car dealerships around town. It's like an inherent contradiction. Bill Watts is the definition of pro wrestling, but he's allowed to do stuff that definitely ain't pro wrestling. An outsider like Tony Khan cannot do that and it's taken as disingenuous when done cause he wasn't in "pro wrestling" and is a legit businessman. It's an amazing paradox. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 16 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Funny, on the heels of THE FOOTAGE in AEW, we're talking about a lot of stuff done on Mid South TV shows that would get you absolutely ridiculed and mocked in today's social media age. To the point where you delete and scrub all your accounts. Honestly, I take a lot of stuff being done by Bill as well intentioned. However, the music video with his kids, putting over local business partners, sucking up to local famous people, etc. is very disarming but somehow very non pro wrestling. It's very local guy made good. Like he should have a bunch of car dealerships around town. It's like an inherent contradiction. Bill Watts is the definition of pro wrestling, but he's allowed to do stuff that definitely ain't pro wrestling. An outsider like Tony Khan cannot do that and it's taken as disingenuous when done cause he wasn't in "pro wrestling" and is a legit businessman. It's an amazing paradox. I remember his random tangent about his airplane being painted improperly, along with his weeks-long tirade about some guy in Jackson, Mississippi named "The Welcher" who must've been a promoter that stole money from him. You're right, nobody could pull that off today without getting utterly roasted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 4 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: I remember his random tangent about his airplane being painted improperly, along with his weeks-long tirade about some guy in Jackson, Mississippi named "The Welcher" who must've been a promoter that stole money from him. You're right, nobody could pull that off today without getting utterly roasted. "So yesterday, I was helping my kids out with their school project..." Bill, ten minutes ago Jim Duggan and Ted DiBiase were sincerely fighting over who was the best dressed in Mid South and using "high tech technology" to monitor crowd response. Let the segment breathe, Cowboy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) "High technology technology", love it A thought, if you have the Mid-South set handy, the breakdancing HAS to be in the extras footage. Edited April 9 by Curt McGirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 8 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: "High technology technology", love it A thought, if you have the Mid-South set handy, the breakdancing HAS to be in the extras footage. First few minutes of the episode for those who don't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 13 hours ago, HumanChessgame said: I'm surprised Matt left as I was fully expecting one last Hardys/E&C match. A Hardy Compound match with these 4 would've been phenomenal. Whoever said Matt (and to a lesser extent Jeff) overvalues himself too much in 2024 is dead on. You can see the difference in the approach between the work of the Hardys and Cope/Christian in AEW. The Hardys (in addition to being more broken down physically) always seemed like they expected everyone to work their match and kind of projected that "play the hits and leave" mindset. Cope and Christian have both adapted their styles to what the rest of the roster brings and find places to integrate their strengths on top of that. No surprise that the latter two have had much better output on TV. It might be more accurate to say the Hardys overvalue their WWE experience specifically. While I'm sure they'd have plenty of useful advice, they don't possess the secret for turning AEW into a second WWE. For most guys on the roster, picking the brains of Daniels and Sydal would be far more fruitful (to say nothing of having Danielson, Joe, Claudio, etc around). Those guys are much more in tune with what AEW is going for and most of them can incorporate the WWE perspective in their teachings as well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Is it possible that territorial wrestling makes up an unusually high percentage of surviving local television programming from the 80s? Like there’s probably not a ton of midday local news from 1983 circulating online. And if you remember the Tiger King documentary, there’s still a certain amount of local stuff that doesn’t get seen outside of a market. But not as much as years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 This one? https://youtu.be/9jzn6K9CHyI?si=qOM0UwHKKzHFItDe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 20 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said: Is it possible that territorial wrestling makes up an unusually high percentage of surviving local television programming from the 80s? Like there’s probably not a ton of midday local news from 1983 circulating online. And if you remember the Tiger King documentary, there’s still a certain amount of local stuff that doesn’t get seen outside of a market. But not as much as years ago. How much local programming would have went through a sustained tape trading renaissance that pro wrestling did? The further away you get away from something, the tougher it is to bring it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Maybe the local horror show host segments on Saturday afternoon/late night monster movie blocks? Your Svengooli types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Damn that was a long segment. Flair is now wearing what Boyd Pierce was in 1985, I wonder whether he inherited some garments from the estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 There was a lady who recorded CNN for like an entire decade 24/7. I read a story about it in the Guardian a couple years back. There are also people who buy up VHS from estate sales who have movies that got recorded from TV just so they can check out if there are any classic commercials. Plus you've got the Martin Scorcese collection that was just brought to the public's awareness, that was him having recorded anything in TV Guide that looked appealing all through the '80s and possibly the '90s. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 51 minutes ago, Go2Sleep said: A Hardy Compound match with these 4 would've been phenomenal. Whoever said Matt (and to a lesser extent Jeff) overvalues himself too much in 2024 is dead on. You can see the difference in the approach between the work of the Hardys and Cope/Christian in AEW. The Hardys (in addition to being more broken down physically) always seemed like they expected everyone to work their match and kind of projected that "play the hits and leave" mindset. Cope and Christian have both adapted their styles to what the rest of the roster brings and find places to integrate their strengths on top of that. No surprise that the latter two have had much better output on TV. It might be more accurate to say the Hardys overvalue their WWE experience specifically. While I'm sure they'd have plenty of useful advice, they don't possess the secret for turning AEW into a second WWE. For most guys on the roster, picking the brains of Daniels and Sydal would be far more fruitful (to say nothing of having Danielson, Joe, Claudio, etc around). Those guys are much more in tune with what AEW is going for and most of them can incorporate the WWE perspective in their teachings as well. Matt Hardy has always been weird and delusional, it's just that finding a gimmick that played into his weirdness saved his career. Just look at his 2011ish - 2016ish run in places like ROH, where he just came off like a has-been who never changed anything and is probably on his last run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 20 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Maybe the local horror show host segments on Saturday afternoon/late night monster movie blocks? Your Svengooli types? I am guessing that is probably the closest. I would say the amount of old boxing still up on YouTube and like Vimeo astonishes me but then again, there are bunch of purists who would have grabbed it. It's actually stuff that is more recent that isn't on YouTube or Dailymotion anymore like swathes of Friday Night Fights, USA Tuesday Nights Fights, and random Showtime/HBO cards from the early 90s to 2008. Some of it got taken down for copyright (Don King content from the SET/Showtime days usually) and the rest never got uploaded. Dmitry Salita did everyone a solid a few years ago, bought some tape libraries (Cedric Kushner, Main Events/Garden State Boxing/Gary Shaw Productions, and other smaller promotions), ripped them, and uploaded them for free on YouTube in pretty good quality. So that takes care of a solid chunk of fairly recent stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) Has anyone from AEW proper confirmed the footage is of Punk and Perry? I know the websites are saying it but Tony has only said it's real footage and from what I've seen (granted not much) those specific names haven't actually come from the company Edit: 411 says they haven't said those names just Meltzer and crew. My point is, I guess they have plausible deniability if they bait and switch but the sheets will look like shit in the process Edited April 9 by Godfrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Bucks did fight FTR at All In, so it would be logical to think they're going to show some kind of footage of FTR and Bucks backstage so they can build some heat for their rematch. So while they technically wouldn't be lying, as it would be real footage from a controversial show, it would still be disappointing. And probably not in a way that would make people tune in to watch them get their ass beat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Yeah, all the wording suggests this isn’t going to be Punk-related, just something to link into the FTR match. So they’re not technically doing a bait and switch as they’ve never actually mentioned Punk (or even said something like ‘footage of the altercation’). But it will definitely feel like a bait and switch (and they’ll only have themselves to blame). I think this would have been a perfectly fine *wink-wink* heel bit for the Bucks if they did the tease during the show, a couple of minutes before showing the footage. But it feels like they’ve backed themselves into a corner doing it like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Maybe it's backstage footage of FTR rubbing ass cream on each other 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 On 4/7/2024 at 7:12 PM, Cobra Commander said: "Hey CMLL, do you guys have any minis with visas?" Where art thou Mark Stunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 It doesn't look much like security camera footage in this snippet. When slowed down - it looks like the gorilla position filmed on someone's phone - one of Aussie Open are there https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1777822292547948964 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 I’ll probably skip this ep and join in on the memes afterwards when I see the gifs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 I want the bucks to pronounce Perry like John Dorian on Scrubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Meanie Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 11 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: There was a lady who recorded CNN for like an entire decade 24/7. Marion Stokes. She taped thousands of hours of television news footage from 1977 to 2012. It's really a fascinating story, and we owe so much to her, alot of her taped footage is the only footage in existence for certain things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Stokes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Apparently quite a lot of the NHL's tape library archive was purchased from a tape trader, who set up a national network of VHS enthusiasts to make sure that he would get the full broadcasts of every game on every channel nationwide. He'd get people to send him the footage, and then edit out all of the pre-game, all of the post-game, and all of the actually playing Hockey so he could make his "Best Hockey Fights" compilation tapes. But because he kept all of the raw footage, that meant that he was suddenly, accidentally the official video librarian of the league. His name is Sandy Bowens, he's Anthony Bowens' dad. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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