Dynamite - 5/31/2023

[Just Dave]

@Octopus you popped until I thought you were implying that I tip poorly. You weren’t, but I suffer from that ex-server affliction of grossly overtipping.

[Zakk_Sabbath]

Tangentially related, because I've talked an awful lot about dudes bodies today for someone who's only a Kinsey 2 - any timetable on a Kyle O'Reilly return? It was nice to see him on All Access if only to confirm he's not persona non grata

[Greggulator]

What stood out to me the most:

1) I really liked the triple threat. Most importantly, I really loved Swerve in the triple threat. He is perfect for a match like that where he can snake around, do his weirdo offense, get tossed to the floor and then steal a win. Swerve is such a great opportunist heel. I just hope he finally gets some good lackeys around him because that is going to make him pop.

2) Shocker that OC/Darby vs. Gates of Steel (is that their name? I am using my phone) was the best match of the night. OC and Darby and FTR should have a match. That would be such a banger. This was a great bruiser team vs. smaller babyfaces matchup, with Darby as a great crash pad with Ricky Morton touches and OC as a wonderful Tommy Rogers outthinking his opponents. 

3) Good to see Stat. I am really excited for what comes next for Jade. One thing that she needs to learn if she is going to last is how to lose and look effective. Nobody can get the crazy push forever. Bianca lost all of the time in NXT. Now she is coming off a really great dominant run as a champion. Bianca main evented a WM. She’s going to be around as long as she wants to be because she is so all-around great, and not being a dominant force while learning the ropes is a huge reason why. Jade… I am worried about her since now she has to look competitive against everyone while spending the first few years of her run as unconquerable. But it will be interesting to see.

[JLowe]

3 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

 

2) Shocker that OC/Darby vs. Gates of Steel (is that their name? I am using my phone)

Gates of Agony, but I'm assuming you were thinking of Gates of Steel, an underrated Devo banger that has also had a bunch of excellent cover versions.

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

My only thought about Adam Cole is that his version of the Canadian Destroyer (Panama Sunrise?) makes even less sense than the Canadian Destroyer. A flipping piledriver is already a little silly, so why not one where you jump off the middle turnbuckle, land on the mat, do a little bunny hop, then do a flipping piledriver.

I can't think of what the jump off the turnbuckle adds to the move aside from him banging his testicles on the back of his opponent's head, and really, that seems like it'd be a net loss rather than a gain because while it's been a few years since I had testicles, I'm pretty sure I recall that banging them on things hurts.

[Zakk_Sabbath]

4 minutes ago, Sparkleface said:

can't think of what the jump off the turnbuckle adds to the move aside from him banging his testicles on the back of his opponent's head,

I think you cracked the code: It's the shame of the teabagging, no one's kicking out after that

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

1 minute ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

I think you cracked the code: It's the shame of the teabagging, no one's kicking out after that

But everyone kicks out! That's my other problem with it! It looks silly and people kick out!

Hmph! Hmph I say!

Maybe he should be more careful with his delivery and they wouldn't.

[Zakk_Sabbath]

5 minutes ago, Sparkleface said:

But everyone kicks out! That's my other problem with it! It looks silly and people kick out!

Hmph! Hmph I say!

Maybe he should be more careful with his delivery and they wouldn't.

I'm completely not kidding with this, I think if you're looking at it in terms of 'realism' one of the best Destroyers ever in AEW was the one Ricky Morton did using the ropes for an assist on one of the super-early shows (can't remember on who, but the Bucks were def there cheering him on)

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

1 minute ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

I'm completely not kidding with this, I think if you're looking at it in terms of 'realism' one of the best Destroyers ever in AEW was the one Ricky Morton did using the ropes for an assist on one of the super-early shows (can't remember on who, but the Bucks were def there cheering him on)

Well that's because Ricky Morton is awesome.

[Jenalysis]

36 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

What stood out to me the most:

1) I really liked the triple threat. Most importantly, I really loved Swerve in the triple threat. He is perfect for a match like that where he can snake around, do his weirdo offense, get tossed to the floor and then steal a win. Swerve is such a great opportunist heel. I just hope he finally gets some good lackeys around him because that is going to make him pop.

2) Shocker that OC/Darby vs. Gates of Steel (is that their name? I am using my phone) was the best match of the night. OC and Darby and FTR should have a match. That would be such a banger. This was a great bruiser team vs. smaller babyfaces matchup, with Darby as a great crash pad with Ricky Morton touches and OC as a wonderful Tommy Rogers outthinking his opponents. 

3) Good to see Stat. I am really excited for what comes next for Jade. One thing that she needs to learn if she is going to last is how to lose and look effective. Nobody can get the crazy push forever. Bianca lost all of the time in NXT. Now she is coming off a really great dominant run as a champion. Bianca main evented a WM. She’s going to be around as long as she wants to be because she is so all-around great, and not being a dominant force while learning the ropes is a huge reason why. Jade… I am worried about her since now she has to look competitive against everyone while spending the first few years of her run as unconquerable. But it will be interesting to see.

 

We're seeing HOOK go through this now.  He's been doing a good job of it I think,

[Go2Sleep]

20 minutes ago, Sparkleface said:

My only thought about Adam Cole is that his version of the Canadian Destroyer (Panama Sunrise?) makes even less sense than the Canadian Destroyer. A flipping piledriver is already a little silly, so why not one where you jump off the middle turnbuckle, land on the mat, do a little bunny hop, then do a flipping piledriver.

I can't think of what the jump off the turnbuckle adds to the move aside from him banging his testicles on the back of his opponent's head, and really, that seems like it'd be a net loss rather than a gain because while it's been a few years since I had testicles, I'm pretty sure I recall that banging them on things hurts.

You're misunderstanding the wrestling physics. The jump off the ropes (or other elevated surface) gives him a natural bounce when he lands. That bounce gives him the extra momentum he needs for the elevation to do a full flip while squeezing another person's head between his legs. Perfect for executing such a move on a larger opponent.

[Matt D]

It takes way too long to set up (with the other wrestler forced into a position that they would almost never be in for any length of time during the normal course of a match - that's the real problem; if it was something normal in the course of a different match it'd be fine, barring something strategic like how Rey works so hard to show how people might get into 619 position). It'd work better as a tag move where the other guy can set it up or hold the person in place. Is there any move that takes longer in wrestling to set up? Maybe Nyla Rose's knee but at least that's after draping someone over the top rope to knock the wind out of them. Or that infernal double stomp to someone straining to hold themselves up in the rope. Those tend to take less time though.

Edited June 1, 2023 by Matt D

[JLowe]

19 minutes ago, Matt D said:

It takes way too long to set up (with the other wrestler forced into a position that they would almost never be in for any length of time during the normal course of a match - that's the real problem; if it was something normal in the course of a different match it'd be fine, barring something strategic like how Rey works so hard to show how people might get into 619 position). It'd work better as a tag move where the other guy can set it up or hold the person in place. Is there any move that takes longer in wrestling to set up? Maybe Nyla Rose's knee but at least that's after draping someone over the top rope to knock the wind out of them. Or that infernal double stomp to someone straining to hold themselves up in the rope. Those tend to take less time though.

I mean it's super-awesome but Komander's two rope run...

[Matt D]

5 minutes ago, JLowe said:

I mean it's super-awesome but Komander's two rope run...

That still feels somehow better since it’s so breathtaking people are in awe or they’re betting on him falling or are prepping to try to counter but he comes in too fast, etc. But it still shouldn’t be an every match spot, Ric Flair’s feelings about Ray Stevens be damned.

[AverageKong]

2 hours ago, AxB said:

Kris Statlander’s indie music was More Than a Woman by the Bee Gees, not the Aaliyah song of same title.

Well that sucks. The futuristic, synthetic pop track definitely fits her character more than a 70s disco track. 

[Dolphman 3000]

5 minutes ago, Matt D said:

That still feels somehow better since it’s so breathtaking people are in awe or they’re betting on him falling or are prepping to try to counter but he comes in too fast, etc. But it still shouldn’t be an every match spot, Ric Flair’s feelings about Ray Stevens be damned.

On recent indie appearances, Kommander has faked hurting his leg early in matches to avoid doing it - smart on his part for only doing the rope wallk at well-paying gigs

Like how the Bucks would do the Indytaker instead of the Meltzer Driver at less-important shows

[Technico Support]

Gates of Agony brought it but also god damn they owe Darby and OC some steaks after how strong they put them over as bad asses.  God damn.  That was a fucking MATCH.

Edited June 1, 2023 by Technico Support

[Coletti]

So many men talking other men's physiques during day one of Pride month. *breathes in and exhales as if it's a fresh mountain breeze* Love to see it

[hobo joe]

2 hours ago, Dolphman 3000 said:

Like how the Bucks would do the Indytaker instead of the Meltzer Driver at less-important shows

I say this as a Bucks fan, but the Indytaker is better than the Meltzer Driver because they can’t time the flip right and Buck 1 drops dude before Buck 2 hits the spike.

[Matt D]

So, I don't have a lot to say about the back half of the show. Just... what the heck was up with the finish to the Statlander/Nyla match? The set up to the finish is important. Nyla was in charge. Stat hit a jawbreaker. And then she went right to the 450. Probably needed one more thing in there, maybe to get over Statlander's strength and to protect Nyla a little, and just to be a bit more dramatic, right? Very weird layout at the end there.

[zendragon]

This was a fun show with a lot of good wrestling from people I like to see wrestle

kinda a post PPV reboot episode 

need that death juistu hoody

[zendragon]

I see to be the low voter on the main event as I enjoyed as much as I’ve enjoyed anything Adam Cole related. A lot of it has to do with Jericho’s theatrics , he’s like a rock star who had a couple hits in the late 70s but now plays native casinos and still has a massive entourage 

[The Natural]

https://twitter.com/DrainBamager/status/1664076149352456192

Don Callis/Konosuke Takeshita segment. Nuclear heat.

[Cobra Commander]

the smart internet wrestling people who didn't pick up on Bandido's El Chapulín Colorado reference (because they don't get out much) are gonna be blindsided if AEW brings in Nosotros Los Guapos to compete for the tag titles

hey they have the hair to fit in some eras of the wrestling business

(yeah, I occasionally wander over to the Telemundo affiliate when I can't find anything else to watch)

[The Natural]