Tabe Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Ryan said: Tim Couch is a legend of some sort. If you pretend he played for a shitty team in the 70's, his stats look great. He wasn't hideously awful, just mediocre, if he had been a much later pick. Going #1 and putting up numbers like that over 5 miserable seasons lowers it to horrible. Pass attempts:1,714 Pass completions:1,025 Percentage:59.8 TD–INT:64–67 Passing yards:11,131 Passer rating:75.1 Numbers far worse than that made Archie Manning a legend in New Orleans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJay Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Had a look at Archie in NO and his numbers are for shit. Why does he get so much praise in NO? Here is his stats in NO http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannAr00.htm#1972-1981-sum:passing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Archie gets praise for two reasons 1) He was the big man on campus for a shitty team. 2) He stayed in NO after his playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 *Every* quarterback from before THE CLASS~ has shitty stats (by today's standards). People really forget what revolutionary athletes Montana, Marino, Kelly, etc. were. Before them, the league being "run first" didn't even begin to cover it. It was run first, second, and third. The idea that a quarterback needed to gun the football down the field just didn't exist back then. The stats absolutely reflect that. Hall of Famer Bob Griese never passed for over 2200 yards. Roger Staubach only passed over 3000 yards twice in his career. Joe Namath cracked 4000 only once and never came within 800 yards of that after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Browns trying to get the number two pick. I don't know with what, the rights to Josh Gordon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Dammit - I put that in the wrong thread. But its the Browns trying to move OUT of #2 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15270927/cleveland-browns-trade-talks-involving-no-2-overall-pick-nfl-draft-uncertain-whether-make-trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Either way, they'll Brown it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Who needs all this fancy QB passing shit when you have Red Grange? He's still going strong today. A/K/A Al Bundy on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I like how three of the Air Raid failures that EVA listed are Browns first round draft picks. Couch got a bad rap. He had a pretty decent season the year he got them to the playoffs, broke his leg and was never the same. Butch Davis wasn't interested in getting him back on the field, and he had an offensive line that was so bad it seemed like any pass play could result in the death of Tim Couch. That 2002 season, he was actively pretty fun to watch, and if he had stayed healthy, I think he could have developed in to a pretty decent starter. I would say the same thing for Courtney Brown as well, who was an absolute monster for the 35 snaps he would play a year before some part of his body would explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 *pelts you in the eye with a bag full of pellets* RIP, the other Brown's, um, Brown that actually happened to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 The word is that it is the Eagles trying to get up to #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APO Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 With no 2nd, they'd be looking at giving up a couple of early-round '17 picks in order to pull that off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 9 hours ago, Ryan said: *pelts you in the eye with a bag full of pellets* RIP, the other Brown's, um, Brown that actually happened to. Along those lines, all the Browns have to do to win a Super Bowl is move to Baltimore. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Just what Baltimore needs, two NFL franchises. This one can be the Cockatiels to go with the city's bird theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 11 hours ago, APO said: With no 2nd, they'd be looking at giving up a couple of early-round '17 picks in order to pull that off. It's like Chip never left!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Browns fans might not want to read this http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15232563/the-day-browns-passed-big-ben Everyone else - another good insight into the way a decision is made on Draft Day Of course - it is in Mark's least favorite form "oral history" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 The Niners are apparently part of the fight to move up to the #2 pick as well. EDIT: Or, you know. . .not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 17 hours ago, RIPPA said: The word is that it is the Eagles trying to get up to #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Call me crazy, but that seems like a massive win for Cleveland. They can still get a Paxton Lynch in Round 2, and they can get a Ronnie Stanley or Tunsil at #8 overall so they can protect RG III and/or whoever they pick. Plus they get what's almost assured to be a Top 10 pick next year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 If the Chargers deal #3 (and they have had some talks per the interweb) it will be the 4th time the top 3 picks in the draft were traded. The most recent was 1997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipGofern Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 The rookie cap is the best thing ever (for us) because picks are so damn tradeable. I was watching the 1995 draft on one of those tube sites and totally forgot how much hand-wringing there was over the first 10 picks because you had to pay them more than the league MVP. Anyway, I think this move was great for the Browns. Running with Bob this year while still getting a second tier QB in the 2nd (Lynch or Hackenberg) to sit and learn under no pressure seems like an ideal scenario. Of course, if Goff and Wentz turn out to be the another 1-2 punch on the level of Eli & Ben it's going to look like a colossal blunder even if they use all those picks wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I honestly think that almost very time the team trading down in the first round gets the better deal (if not every time). To go down only six picks and get an additional first, second, and third (assuming the fourths cancel each other out value-wise) will always seem crazy to me and something I'd do as a GM in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADCAP Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 2 hours ago, ChesterCopperpot said: Jesus, it's tough being an Eagles fan. It's like they don't care about winning. Fuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 That is a batshit crazy move by the Eagles. They have too many gaps to fill to be giving all of that up. It makes things interesting for the Cowboys if Tunsil makes it to them. If they don't want to deal with another big OL contract down the line, they can use him a bargaining chip to trade down and maybe get EE in the process. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 MADCAP is the dude who posted that "Sayonara Chip Kelly" video to YT a while back. It's hard out here for the Iggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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