BillThompson Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'm all for drilling dudes in the ribs or the ass. The pitcher can control the plate just fine by drilling guys in those areas. The head should be off limits though, that's just bush league stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Sammy Sosa getting hit in the head with a baseball, blowing up his helmet, is one of the scariest things I've seen when it comes to a hitter getting hit in the head. I'm all for never seeing anything like that, or close to it, ever again. And yet, it keeps happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimWresPowr Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Just curious where you draw the line with being competitive & passionate vs. being immature & questioning a manager's authority. Saturday night normally lights-out Braves closer Craig Kimbel takes the mound with a 7-3 lead. Manager comes to get him with the score 7-5 with the bases loaded. He very clearly said "you gotta be kidding me" to Fredi's face and then said "this is BS" while heading off the mound. My first reaction is this guy is immature & is getting an ego if he thinks he's untouchable. But the more I thought about it, I had to kind of admire his competitive fire & passion in thinking he could work his way out of it. Maybe it was a heat of the moment kind of reaction but it did lead me to have these conflicting thoughts. I guess some managers might tolerate this kind of thing more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I guess my reaction is mostly due to the asshole talking heads who act as if beanballs are a scourge upon the game. Batters preening after hitting a game winning HR or to take the lead in the 8th or 9th, especially in the playoffs? Okay. Doing the same thing in a game in April especially in a early inning? Dust that fucker or put one in the ribs next time up. Baseball is(and should be) a rough and tumble game. I'm just tired of the complaining about it. . . Maybe I've been reading too many old school players bios. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Intentionally hitting players, which can cause serious injuries, should be 'gotten rid of' period, it isn't the 1950s anymore. It is a joke when a pitcher gets a five day suspension since they only pitch every five days anyway. Brushing back is one thing, but "retaliating" for some unwritten rule by intentionally doing something that could lead to a serious injury is stupid and always has been. I mean I know its not going anywhere, not until someone has their career ended by it anyway. I still chuckle when I think about Greinke getting hurt when a batter charged him after he hit him on purpose, someone throws a 90 MPH baseball at me on purpose I am charging at them too, assuming I am still standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Intentionally hitting players, which can cause serious injuries, should be 'gotten rid of' period, it isn't the 1950s anymore. It is a joke when a pitcher gets a five day suspension since they only pitch every five days anyway. Brushing back is one thing, but "retaliating" for some unwritten rule by intentionally doing something that could lead to a serious injury is stupid and always has been. I mean I know its not going anywhere, not until someone has their career ended by it anyway. I still chuckle when I think about Greinke getting hurt when a batter charged him after he hit him on purpose, someone throws a 90 MPH baseball at me on purpose I am charging at them too, assuming I am still standing. I think we agree to disagree on this one. If your plunked, take it like a man, and go to first. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 How about: If some guy watches his home run shot, you move on with your life instead of throwing at him next time up, cuz we're grown men and not goddamned children? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Darius Bagfelt Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Intentionally hitting players, which can cause serious injuries, should be 'gotten rid of' period, it isn't the 1950s anymore. It is a joke when a pitcher gets a five day suspension since they only pitch every five days anyway. Brushing back is one thing, but "retaliating" for some unwritten rule by intentionally doing something that could lead to a serious injury is stupid and always has been. I mean I know its not going anywhere, not until someone has their career ended by it anyway. I still chuckle when I think about Greinke getting hurt when a batter charged him after he hit him on purpose, someone throws a 90 MPH baseball at me on purpose I am charging at them too, assuming I am still standing. I think we agree to disagree on this one. If your plunked, take it like a man, and go to first. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Billy Hamilton went from 1st to third on a cleanly fielded comebacker to the pitcher in the 1st inning tonight. That was after being hit on the ankle with a pitch. He then scored on a cleanly fielded ground ball to third with the infield in. Yeah, he was running on the 1st to 3rd, and yeah the catcher bobbled the ball at home...but goddamn. It's like a video game with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 New smoking area signs at Coors Field: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 New smoking area signs at Coors Field: Please tell me that's in the clubhouse. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think we agree to disagree on this one. If your plunked, take it like a man, and go to first. . . . I'm with you on this. A couple years ago at a Spokane Indians game, the opposing team catcher started a fight by jawing at an Indians player who'd argued balls and strikes. The next night, the catcher came up to the plate and everybody in the park knew he was going to get drilled. He did - a fastball right in the ribs. He took it like a pro, though, and went to first without incident. Exactly how it should be. Now, a couple things: - I used to not care if a dude threw up around a guy's head. I feel differently about that now. I'm not saying there's never a case for it - like retaliation against a headhunting pitcher - but it would be really rare - I'd like to see big-time suspensions for guys who leave their positions or benches to join a fight. If a hitter charges the mound, let those two slug it out, a la the NHL. In the NHL, you get 10 games for leaving the bench, even if you don't fight. That's 1/8th of a season, so make it 20 games for MLB. The coach also gets suspended and the team gets a $250k fine. Do the same thing in MLB. There's a reason there hasn't been a bench-clearing brawl in the NHL in almost 20 years. - I'd like to see suspensions against pitchers have more teeth. Like 5 starts or something. And make the team lose that roster spot for those games. - not gonna lie - have no problem with drilling a guy who watches a home run or flips his bat or whatever. Hip, butt, or ribs though, not the head. - I also have no problem with a pitcher drilling somebody because 3 or 4 of his teammates have gotten hit during a game, even if it wasn't intentional. In general, I think you'd see a lot of problems eliminated if guys didn't feel like they needed to show off every time they make good contact and also if umpires actually enforced the "must make an attempt to get out of the way" rule on HBPs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think we agree to disagree on this one. If your plunked, take it like a man, and go to first. . . . I'm with you on this. A couple years ago at a Spokane Indians game, the opposing team catcher started a fight by jawing at an Indians player who'd argued balls and strikes. The next night, the catcher came up to the plate and everybody in the park knew he was going to get drilled. He did - a fastball right in the ribs. He took it like a pro, though, and went to first without incident. Exactly how it should be. Now, a couple things: - I used to not care if a dude threw up around a guy's head. I feel differently about that now. I'm not saying there's never a case for it - like retaliation against a headhunting pitcher - but it would be really rare - I'd like to see big-time suspensions for guys who leave their positions or benches to join a fight. If a hitter charges the mound, let those two slug it out, a la the NHL. In the NHL, you get 10 games for leaving the bench, even if you don't fight. That's 1/8th of a season, so make it 20 games for MLB. The coach also gets suspended and the team gets a $250k fine. Do the same thing in MLB. There's a reason there hasn't been a bench-clearing brawl in the NHL in 25 years. - I'd like to see suspensions against pitchers have more teeth. Like 5 starts or something. And make the team lose that roster spot for those games. - not gonna lie - have no problem with drilling a guy who watches a home run or flips his bat or whatever. Hip, butt, or ribs though, not the head. - I also have no problem with a pitcher drilling somebody because 3 or 4 of his teammates have gotten hit during a game, even if it wasn't intentional. In general, I think you'd see a lot of problems eliminated if guys didn't feel like they needed to show off every time they make good contact and also if umpires actually enforced the "must make an attempt to get out of the way" rule on HBPs. Your post is exactly how I fell, you just said it better., and my only other thought is get rid of this umpire warning bullshit. The amount of headhunting/guys getting hit would be very low, it just lets the pitcher reclaim more authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 The problem with the warning system is that the first guy gets to act with impunity, while the other guys can't retaliate. That's not right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 5 game suspension for Maldonado which seems appropriate, 3 game suspension for Gomez which should probably be two, 2 game suspension for Snider and a 1 game suspension for Russel Martin. Nothing for Gerrit Cole. Maldonado is serving his already because he doesn't play that often anyway and the other 3 are appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipGofern Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just to bring this back around to what kicked off the beanball discussion, MLB suspends four from the Pirates-Brewers fracas: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10822556/major-league-baseball-issues-penalties-milwaukee-brewers-pittsburgh-pirates-scuffle Brewers back-up catcher Martin Maldonado, who was the guy who threw the sucker punch (to Travis Snider, who got 2 games for hip tossing a Brewer), got the biggest penalty at 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 You can't ban people coming off the bench in a baseball fight for a very simple and obvious reason. In basketball, football, hockey, etc you have the same number of people on the court/field/ice/whatever for both teams. In baseball, the best case scenario in a big brawl without the benches is 9 on 4. If there's a fight, you have to be able to protect your teammates. But, yeah, I'm of the opinion "he hit a home run off you and watched it like a prick? Hey, maybe you should strike him out instead." as opposed to "THROW THE BALL AT HIM." To me, it's no different that a hockey player attacking someone with his stick. It's assault, period. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Well I was taught to take assault like a man, Fowler. Or should I call you Flower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhock Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 While all of this dick-swinging has been going on, Albert Pujols hit his 500th home run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Can the Yanks just cut A-Rod this fall and keep Solarte? I love this kid. I'd like him a lot better if he weren't 1 for 15 since I picked him up. Of course my only other 3B is Kyle Seager and the less said about that, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Can the Yanks just cut A-Rod this fall and keep Solarte? I love this kid. I'd like him a lot better if he weren't 1 for 15 since I picked him up. Of course my only other 3B is Kyle Seager and the less said about that, the better. Since ZImmerman is hurt, I'm starting Kelly Johnson. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah motherfuckers! Cubs have won two in a row! Longest streak of the season for them...and I still expect those buttholes to not win this series. Goddamn though, the Diamondbacks look historically bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 The Yes Movement has reached Pittsburgh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You too can own one of the cupcakes handed out at today's Cubs game celebrating Wrigley Field's 100th anniversary for a cool $100...or best offer: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100th-Anniversary-Wrigley-Field-Jewel-Osco-Chicage-Cubs-Cupcake-Cup-Cake-2014-/191147358812?pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item2c81453a5c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Worth every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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