Tabe Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 It was also a different era, but having coaches protect him might have had him last longer. . . . He was actually protected quite a bit - he didn't top 200 innings until his fifth season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 This is likely a stupid question but I keep hearing it about the Japanese pitcher the Yankees just signed. I guess they only pitch once ever 7 days instead of 5 like here....so what would keep the Yankees for just letting pitch every 7 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 They'd need to give more starts to worse pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Japan apparently uses a six-man rotation, not seven. Obviously going from a five-man to a six-man means giving 17% of your team's starts to a guy not good enough to be a top-5. That's a pretty big dropoff. 17% of your #1's starts replaced with a #6. 17% of #2's and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Japan apparently uses a six-man rotation, not seven. Obviously going from a five-man to a six-man means giving 17% of your team's starts to a guy not good enough to be a top-5. That's a pretty big dropoff. 17% of your #1's starts replaced with a #6. 17% of #2's and so on. But on the opposite side, the other question would be- wouldn't the downgrade (you lose 17% of your starts to downgrade from a #1 to a #6) be counteracted by the benefits (the more rest a pitcher could have, the more innings they can throw [saving relievers], with presumably harder stuff since you get that much rest in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Japan apparently uses a six-man rotation, not seven. Obviously going from a five-man to a six-man means giving 17% of your team's starts to a guy not good enough to be a top-5. That's a pretty big dropoff. 17% of your #1's starts replaced with a #6. 17% of #2's and so on. But on the opposite side, the other question would be- wouldn't the downgrade (you lose 17% of your starts to downgrade from a #1 to a #6) be counteracted by the benefits (the more rest a pitcher could have, the more innings they can throw [saving relievers], with presumably harder stuff since you get that much rest in? If i'm an owner, I'm not paying a guy $20 million a year and then paying more for ANOTHER starter, just so he's comfortable. For that kind of money, he'd better man up and adapt to U.S. baseball. Its not like its a secret that MLB has five man rotations; if he wasn't ready for that, why did he come over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Japan apparently uses a six-man rotation, not seven. Obviously going from a five-man to a six-man means giving 17% of your team's starts to a guy not good enough to be a top-5. That's a pretty big dropoff. 17% of your #1's starts replaced with a #6. 17% of #2's and so on. But on the opposite side, the other question would be- wouldn't the downgrade (you lose 17% of your starts to downgrade from a #1 to a #6) be counteracted by the benefits (the more rest a pitcher could have, the more innings they can throw [saving relievers], with presumably harder stuff since you get that much rest in? If a guy needs an extra day of rest you can always start a long reliever or bring someone up from AAA for a spot start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubbymark Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 You can only do that so many times, and when it comes to calling up guys for the minors, aren't you to limited to a certain amount of call-ups/options for minor leaguers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 The option rules changed a few years back. You can only burn one option out of three per year, no matter how many times they go up and down. BUT - once you demote a player, he has to spend ten days (I believe) in the minors before you call him up again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Thank god the Yankees are going to suck this year so I don't have to learn about any of this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoffman Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Casey Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 And Lance Berkman and Michael Young have called it a career. So that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 And Lance Berkman and Michael Young have called it a career. So that happened. Looking forward to them getting a token HOF vote and us all flipping out in five years. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimLivingston Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Except Berkman is a fringe Hall of Famer. Michael Young is an empty batting average and a bad glove. But hey, HITZ and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Berkman has a worse HOF case than Larry Walker. FIrst ballot Hall of Very Good inductee, but that's about it. And Michael Young's career gets obliterated by the "classy" narrative and his ridiculous contract - from 03-11, he never dipped below 2.4 fWAR. Not an HOFer by any stretch of the imagination, but not Jacque Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Young had a really nice career. I'll take a guy that hits .300, 20 HRs and is an "eh" fielder in the infield. Unfortunately for his legacy, he got paid like a guy that hits .315 with 30 HRs and an above average glove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I'd gladly take him on the Brewers right now over the deadly platoon of Juan Francisco, Lyle Overbay and Mark Reynolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Young had a really nice career. I'll take a guy that hits .300, 20 HRs and is an "eh" fielder in the infield. Unfortunately for his legacy, he got paid like a guy that hits .315 with 30 HRs and an above average glove. And his actual talent was that of someone that hits .290, hits 15 HR, and was a below average fielder, who just happened to spend his career in a hitters' park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 CUBS GOT HAMELS!!!! Wait...Hammel? Did someone make a typo? Oh...it's Jason Hammel. Oh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I like it. He comes cheap and I think he can help contribute to the rotation. If he does well, he'll just get flipped for prospects anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 And his actual talent was that of someone that hits .290, hits 15 HR, and was a below average fielder, who just happened to spend his career in a hitters' park. He wasn't much below average, quite frankly. And .290 with 15 HRs and a below average glove sounds a lot like...Derek Jeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Right, except for the 40 points of OPS Jeter had over Young. Also Fangraphs has Jeter at a -6.8 UZR/150 vs Young's -10.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Not identical, "like" :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The replacement level at short is also much lower than at third. Just to throw out a random year in the middle, in 2006, SS hit .270/.326/.400. 3B hit .273/.343/.449 - that's a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Freddie Freeman signs 8 yr, 125 million ext. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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