Brian Fowler Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I figure this is a set up for him being first man out Sunday. Because Vince. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 So longest RAW match before the Gauntlet match? Thinking that's Shawn Michaels vs. John Cena on the 23rd April 2007 RAW. That went around 45-55 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: Oh and is Bàlor Club finished? The Good Brothers not showing up to chase off Miztourage makes no sense otherwise I didn't watch but I know they were on Renee's pre-show deal on Instagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I think technically the longest RAW match would have to be the Iron Man match between Triple H and Noob Saibot. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Cheers. So the Gauntlet was the longest and Michaels vs. Cena after if we're counting matches that don't have a time limit like the Iron Man/Woman match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Seth’s going to make me choke on my assessment of him as a guy who’s only great in a team. Hot damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I only caught the last hour of Raw so I missed the gauntlet but, is Mandy Rose worse in-ring than Dana Brooke? Cuz she was just awful tonight. Missing moves, blowing moves, missing tags, having to be told visibly what to do by Mickie James. It was ugly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Mandy is awful. On the mic, in the ring, just walking the ramp. But she's goddamn good looking so they called her up, figuring Paige could do the bulk of the work, then Sonya. But shit happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beech27 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Seth indulged himself a bit, but athletic spectacle is part of why I enjoy wrestling—though not the biggest part—so yeah, some of the kick outs and moves might have been a little much for someone who was selling outright exhaustion just moments before, but... I honestly can’t be bothered. There’s a saying in ultramarathons that “it never always gets worse”, meaning that if you just keep going, sometimes you feel better for no reason—or at least you don’t feel worse—and you’re better off not trying to predict or understand it. Just survive and move forward. Especially in longer matches, I’m happy believing in something similar. Selling fatigue and damage in a totally linear fashion frankly makes less sense. If Bálor Club is once again just merch for Finn, what a waste. I know the company is prone to inexplicable decisions at times, but they just did the DX moment, so I’m going to choose to believe there are plans. (Which is kinda stupid of me. But.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 They pretty much managed to heat up and cool back off Finn in about 50 days. That's kinda impressive in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Brian Fowler said: Oh and is Bàlor Club finished? The Good Brothers not showing up to chase off Miztourage makes no sense otherwise BALOR CLUB IS FINE. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: Mandy is awful. On the mic, in the ring, just walking the ramp. But she's goddamn good looking so they called her up, figuring Paige could do the bulk of the work, then Sonya. But shit happens. By all accounts of those who saw her on NXT house shows she was usually rather good there. I can't think those accounts were total bs. Perhaps live tv is throwing her off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Eivion said: By all accounts of those who saw her on NXT house shows she was usually rather good there. I can't think those accounts were total bs. Perhaps live tv is throwing her off. Huh. Shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brysynner Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Brian Fowler said: Mandy is awful. On the mic, in the ring, just walking the ramp. But she's goddamn good looking so they called her up, figuring Paige could do the bulk of the work, then Sonya. But shit happens. RoseGold was fun on the Mixed Match Challenge though that could have been the aura of Goldust making everyone around him 100x better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Rollins needs to be rebuilt, he has cooled off a lot since the Shield reunion went to hell and he lacks whatever Dean has that makes him bulletproof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 What the hell show did I just watch and how do we make sure we never get Raw back instead of it again? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Cristobal said: What the hell show did I just watch and how do we make sure we never get Raw back instead of it again? I think it was professional wrestling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I think technically the longest RAW match would have to be the Iron Man match between Triple H and Noob Saibot. This was amusing because Cole brought it up but it was like “the longest match was an Iron Man match where Triple H wrestled” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathyBoy Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: It was nuts. I can't believe it happened. I can. Fiery babyface Rollins is ridiculously awesome and over with the crowd. Dude's one of the few current guys who's great as a face or heel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, DeathyBoy said: I can. Fiery babyface Rollins is ridiculously awesome and over with the crowd. Dude's one of the few current guys who's great as a face or heel. No, I mean I can't believe they did a two hour stretch of wrestling with no bullshit. I mean, I also really disagree with the idea that Rollins is great, but that's beside the point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I feel that if a wrestler has had enough good to great matches then eventually that means he's at least pretty darn good. I tend to revisit the old Triple H arguments. Some have never come around on him but if you take a look at the resume, how can you dispute it? One argument people make is that he's had more opportunity but I don't buy it because a lot of the matches are laid out differently and are with different opponents. To get this back around to Seth Rollins, I feel he was generally the best guy in Shield matches. All of them had their role but Rollins was the workhorse. Then I point to John Cena where at one point Cena was injured and he was not having good matches week to week and out of nowhere he and Seth tore the house down I believe at a SummerSlam. There's a lot of examples where houses have been torn down and the best performance was from Rollins. He's not my favorite. I thought his run as champion was crap. I kept hoping for more but it was garbage. But there's too much from 2012 to now where I cannot say with a straight face he isn't good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I don't like the vast majority of his matches people tend to like. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I feel that if a wrestler has had enough good to great matches then eventually that means he's at least pretty darn good. I tend to revisit the old Triple H arguments. Some have never come around on him but if you take a look at the resume, how can you dispute it? One argument people make is that he's had more opportunity but I don't buy it because a lot of the matches are laid out differently and are with different opponents. To get this back around to Seth Rollins, I feel he was generally the best guy in Shield matches. All of them had their role but Rollins was the workhorse. Then I point to John Cena where at one point Cena was injured and he was not having good matches week to week and out of nowhere he and Seth tore the house down I believe at a SummerSlam. There's a lot of examples where houses have been torn down and the best performance was from Rollins. He's not my favorite. I thought his run as champion was crap. I kept hoping for more but it was garbage. But there's too much from 2012 to now where I cannot say with a straight face he isn't good. He's excellent at specific elements of pro wrestling. I don't think there's any denying that. If he had one of those old Transformers stat sheets you needed the decoder thing for, he'd rate very high on cardio and execution. In 1988, to a very small minority of wrestling fans, that would have made him one of the best in the world. In 2018, it makes him one to the large majority of wrestling fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 And, again, I think he's a legitimately great tag worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Great Matches/Opportunity is another issue. Ideally, it's a ratio. What's his ratio of Great Matches/Main Events, or Great Matches/PPV matches, or Great Matches/Matches over 15 minutes? Now compare that to a peer, someone like Styles or Reigns (or Owens or Bray, sure). Where does he stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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