Burgundy LaRue Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 I don't know much about TNA's financials other than they don't pay their talent on time. Approximately how much would it cost to buy the company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 A couple of packs of smokes and a half-eaten Slim Jim? That's the most I'd be willing to pay. Maybe Corgan just swapped Dixie a box of irregular "Zero" shirts for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 hour ago, mattdangerously said: A couple of packs of smokes and a half-eaten Slim Jim? That's the most I'd be willing to pay. Maybe Corgan just swapped Dixie a box of irregular "Zero" shirts for it. and a lot of unsold copies of the Zwan album 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I bought that when it came out. I wonder if Billy will let me on the booking committee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turk128 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Maybe Corgan is a financial genius and he'll flip TNA for big profits to WWE. I mean, the tape library alone is worth something, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 2 hours ago, turk128 said: Maybe Corgan is a financial genius and he'll flip TNA for big profits to WWE. I mean, the tape library alone is worth something, right? Fine, three packs of smokes. But they're going to be menthol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 14 hours ago, turk128 said: Maybe Corgan is a financial genius and he'll flip TNA for big profits to WWE. I mean, the tape library alone is worth something, right? I've mentioned this elsewhere, but isn't the value of that footage practically nothing? Outside of WWE no one has interest and all the footage they have, WWE has better footage of for the most part. Given how much footage the WWE has, I can't see much reason they'd be interested in this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 33 minutes ago, DTTW said: I've mentioned this elsewhere, but isn't the value of that footage practically nothing? Outside of WWE no one has interest and all the footage they have, WWE has better footage of for the most part. Given how much footage the WWE has, I can't see much reason they'd be interested in this stuff. There's tons of good footage, particularly the early years. Tons of matches with AJ, Joe, Sting, Angle if he comes back, there's a lot of good stuff they can use. It might not be seen as super valuable to them, but definitely would be worth picking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share Posted September 12, 2016 Yeah - it really would be just to help supplement DVDs (or any sort of production) for guys like AJ and Sting and way far down the line for like Roode and Aries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Or when WWE finally signs Okada.......they will have all the Okato footage on lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 4 hours ago, NickMD said: There's tons of good footage, particularly the early years. Tons of matches with AJ, Joe, Sting, Angle if he comes back, there's a lot of good stuff they can use. It might not be seen as super valuable to them, but definitely would be worth picking up. But, that footage wasn't a draw in the first place. (Well not much of a draw) so why does it become more valuable, especially since it is already readily available in multiple formats already? Not to mention, no one is really watching it now. In regards to matches, WWE already either has nearly all a wrestlers body of work (sting), or they a relationship with another company that would have similar or better footage (joe). It's not like that Sting DVD didn't sell because it lacked TNA footage. I just think the footage as a whole is worth almost next to nothing. With there being only one buyer, the lowballing will likely be extreme and whoever would try and unload it to the WWE is going to get very disappointed in their offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 WWE would purchase TNA for the footage just so they could put out "The Self Destruction of Jeff Jarrett". Then, we may also finally get that 3 disc Ultimate Braden Walker collection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: WWE would purchase TNA for the footage just so they could put out "The Self Destruction of Jeff Jarrett". Then, we may also finally get that 3 disc Ultimate Braden Walker collection. I'll give you Braden but they already have years of Jeff footage to do that with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 That's true, but being able to include TNA in it gives it more of a burned bridge feel. Jarrett had nowhere else to go, so he and his father started their own promotion and made Jeff the top guy. Towards the end, throw in a quip about Jarrett trying to con people into buying gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turk128 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 10 hours ago, DTTW said: I've mentioned this elsewhere, but isn't the value of that footage practically nothing? Outside of WWE no one has interest and all the footage they have, WWE has better footage of for the most part. Given how much footage the WWE has, I can't see much reason they'd be interested in this stuff. It's content. The more the Network has of it, the better. And there's real value in it because the many ways WWE would package said content to give it value. And like many people have pointed out, there's plenty of good stuff among the shit that is TNA. A comparison would be how ex-TNA wrestlers are finding so much more success under the WWE umbrella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Miller Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 5 hours ago, turk128 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 11 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: That's true, but being able to include TNA in it gives it more of a burned bridge feel. Jarrett had nowhere else to go, so he and his father started their own promotion and made Jeff the top guy. Towards the end, throw in a quip about Jarrett trying to con people into buying gold. He's already running GWF. 7 hours ago, turk128 said: It's content. The more the Network has of it, the better. And there's real value in it because the many ways WWE would package said content to give it value. And like many people have pointed out, there's plenty of good stuff among the shit that is TNA. A comparison would be how ex-TNA wrestlers are finding so much more success under the WWE umbrella. It's content that didn't draw for a crap and has no real tie to the WWE - while I agree it would be great on the network, the value of it as a whole has to be extremely limited. Wasn't TNA's highest rating darn close to equal with the WWE network subscribers numbers...I gotta feeling the only people who were ever going to watch that stuff already did and given TNA's ratings plunging decline, I am very doubtful anyone is interested in a second viewing. Especially if they had to pay for it the second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 People who've only ever watched WWE consider AJ vs Samoa Joe a dream match and hope that one day they could see it. People who watch TNA have seen it many times. But WWE has a whole shitload of fans who will refuse to watch any wrestling that isn't MeekMahan-ised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 2 hours ago, DTTW said: It's content that didn't draw for a crap and has no real tie to the WWE - while I agree it would be great on the network, the value of it as a whole has to be extremely limited. Wasn't TNA's highest rating darn close to equal with the WWE network subscribers numbers...I gotta feeling the only people who were ever going to watch that stuff already did and given TNA's ratings plunging decline, I am very doubtful anyone is interested in a second viewing. Especially if they had to pay for it the second time around. I'm not sure if you're deliberatly being this obtuse that you're using ratings as a reason as to why the TNA library has no value. I mean, it only has the gross bulk of the career of the current WWE World Champion, along with his past matches and interactions with currently signed NXT stars that have been pimped as big deals since entering, numerous WWE Legends, and Numerous WWE Hall of Famers including Sting, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner, The Dudleys, Christian, etc. And a bunch of work from those guys, like the back half of Angle's career and the 10 year gap in Sting's. And a lot of Hardy stuff that will be relevant when they eventually sign the Legends deal with they're finally done. And the entire career of Bobby Roode, and a good chunk of Aries, and Joe's.. Right, it has no value because of ratings. And nope, absolutly no tie to WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 They'll buy it because they like to buy all the footage they can get, even if they don't have plans for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 50 minutes ago, Raziel403 said: I'm not sure if you're deliberatly being this obtuse that you're using ratings as a reason as to why the TNA library has no value. I mean, it only has the gross bulk of the career of the current WWE World Champion, along with his past matches and interactions with currently signed NXT stars that have been pimped as big deals since entering, numerous WWE Legends, and Numerous WWE Hall of Famers including Sting, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner, The Dudleys, Christian, etc. And a bunch of work from those guys, like the back half of Angle's career and the 10 year gap in Sting's. And a lot of Hardy stuff that will be relevant when they eventually sign the Legends deal with they're finally done. And the entire career of Bobby Roode, and a good chunk of Aries, and Joe's.. Right, it has no value because of ratings. And nope, absolutly no tie to WWE. You are valuing things from the wrong perspective. As a fan, yeah that stuff is cool, but as a business, if I want to determine what value this product has, you have to look at the money it has been able to make. That is not very much. Their ratings constantly went down. People were clearly not interested. Why would a business pay a lot for something that has demonstrated it has a low value? You really think TNA is worth more than WCW? Didn't WWE only pay like 1.5 million for something like 30 years of footage? WCW ECW NWA you could all point to how they tie into the WWE. You can't do that with TNA. All they did was aquire guys WWE got rid of for one reason or another. TNA happened as a reaction to WWE, but it really doesn't tie into the WWE narrative. They are just an outside wrestling company who had a bigger stage to fail on than most post WWE winning their little wrestling war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I could point how TNA has the same tie in as WCW/JCP/ECW does, as in the amount of WWE guys that passed through them all and that Vince bought all those assests. He also bought and found value in the Stampede, AWA, Mid-South, and World Class library's and outside of Stampede being a stretch, there's zero tie in to WWE in those library's under your standards. From a business standpoint, the ratings and drawing power of TNA means nothing to the value of the library. The value of the library is in the value of the current status of the guys on it, and if the people subscribing to the Network and buying DVD's will buy DVD's and sub to the Network for 90% of the careers of AJ Styles and Bobby Roode, and 50% of the career of Kurt Angle. It's not the value of what it *has* drawn as TNA, it's the value of what it *can* draw marketed under the WWE banner, which Vince has seen when he bought ECW, and WCW, and AWA, and Mid-South, etc etc etc. All the promotions that aren't WWE stopped drawing and made no money, that's why they're out of business and Vince owns their tape library. If Corgan buys TNA lock stock and barrel, then fails to turn it around and bails, I'm sure Vince will jump at the chance to buy the assests for pennies on the dollar compaired to what Corgan paid, just like he did every other promotion that died, because people will pay to watch the back stuff, and that's the value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Those other companies all were fighting to beat Vince and he drew from them to do better for himself. No one from TNA is likely going to become the next Hogan. It could happen but... If ratings don't matter for value then why was that the determining factor for reselling content for decades? Star Trek comanded more than Andy Griffith because more people would watch Trek. If more people aren't going to buy the network for the additional content, then what is it truly worth? Why will they start once it's on the network? No other company is or did better under the WWE banner so how do you expect TNA to be different? They certainly have been helpful in making WWE more money, but no one is clamoring for Stampede to return. I agree they could and probably will buy it, but the notion its worth much I just can't grasp given the metrics that are available to look at. Are the WWE paying money for appearances on the network? They would probably not buy it then just to never give Jarrett another dime outta spite. How many more checks would they need to start writing then....that has to be a huge headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 If I had the money and resources I'd buy the footage, hire Steven Soderbergh to do a feature-length cut of all the Hardy Compound stuff, and take it to Cannes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Sure they'd buy it. It's like how we pay farmers to not grow crops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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