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[Niners Fan in CT]

Prime Earth Steppenwolf?

[Matt D]

7 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Prime Earth Steppenwolf?

Wouldn't that be this?

[odessasteps]

Five streaming alternatives to seeing BvS

Http://tinyurl.com/5altbvs

[Niners Fan in CT]

lol @ "instead"

[Cliff Hanger]

26 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

Five streaming alternatives to seeing BvS

Http://tinyurl.com/5altbvs

BTAS/STAS are on Amazon Prime. They don't have the "Prime" flag for some reason, but if you go into the season all the eps will appear as available.  Unfortunately, it looks like all the other WBA stuff added at the same time (Animaniacs, Pinky/Brain and Real Adventures of Jonny Quest) didn't get renewed, but BTAS/STAS are still free even if you have to check.

[odessasteps]

Thanks. Will fix. 

[elizium]

I'm almost afraid to go back and read the last several pages, but I fucking loved it. Batfleck was dope and Wonder Woman showing up at the end brought a rise out of the crowd (all four showings at 8 were sold out), I love that they've gone all in with the immortal goddess aspect with the WW1 picture.

Eisenberg was maybe a little much, but I didn't hate him. I'm interested to see how he is now that he's fully Luthor.

[elizium]

Also, Scoot McNairy probably got a really good paycheque, so that's cool.

[J.T.]

13 hours ago, Vader does my taxes! said:

I thought the common denominator is that Michael Bay and Zach Snyder both manage to make big budget blockbusters that make craploads of money (thus insuring them further work) without quite being loved by most moviegoers.

The argument from the DC faithful on most of the movie boards is that money = quality, yet Michael Bay has made a career of making big dumb blockbusters and the DC grognards refuse to equate BvS with something like Battleship or one of the Transformers movies...

[Spritenaut 32]

49 minutes ago, J.T. said:

The argument from the DC faithful on most of the movie boards is that money = quality, yet Michael Bay has made a career of making big dumb blockbusters and the DC grognards refuse to equate BvS with something like Battleship or one of the Transformers movies...

Well, they're not entirely wrong.  The movie was pretty much what I expected it to be, given my lack of enthusiasm for Man of Steel, but I still paid to see it.  I'm not a big comic book movie fan, but I don't mind paying to see a big "Summer" blockbuster once.  Once.  I'll probably never pay any attention to BVS again.  For me, it's about replay value.  If i had liked BVS, I'd probably rent it when it hits DVD/Blu-Ray, watch pieces of it when FX gets ahold of it, etc.  I still tune in Avengers for a couple minutes when it's on FX.  It's a fun movie.  I don't mind rewatching large bits of it in the evening if I'm not really into some other show.  The DC movies get no time from me when they're on my tv.  The Nolan Batman films are probably the best of DCU movies lately, but I find Nolan's work kinda grim and self-serious to sit through, so once is enough for me.

Anyway, point is, yeah, I'd like to see the DCU films go in a different direction - one that doesn't involve Snyder OR Nolan, but I'm not voting with my wallet.  If I really wanted to see changes made, the more sensible plan would be to simply not see the film.

I'm going to have to rent the Guardians film.  Zach Snyder directing an animated film aimed at young adults/kids?  I can't even imagine what that looks like.

And Sucker Punch is the oddest attempt at a female empowerment film you'll ever see.  Female characters are presented as strong, but they get used by men over and over in the real world.  Also, most of the film is set inside the main character's fantasy life - which begins with the characters living in a strip club.  Really?  That's where a young woman would want to go to escape her horrible reality?  Okkkkayyy.....   Oh, and said main character "escapes" her depressing real-world existence by being lobotomized at the end of the movie.  The cops do arrive to save her and arrest the bad guys - right after she's lobotomized.  Ugh.  I think the cops arriving and the heels being punished is supposed to be a happy ending, but the lobotomy sort of blunts the impact of the arrests.

BVS is better than Sucker Punch, so there's that.

 

 

[odessasteps]

Its amazing Sucker Punch was not adapted from a mark millar comic. 

[Dolfan in NYC]

13 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Prime Earth Steppenwolf?

I think it's Yuga Khan

[JRGoldman]

Niners, I want to address the Daredevil comparison you keep making. Daredevil, as the result of his accident, has developed superpowers. While most focus on his heightened hearing and his sonar like ability that allows him to "see" all around him at all times, it has been documented that all of his other senses have become superhuman as well. This includes his sense of touch, which has caused him to develop unnatural balance and motor skills. Because of this, I am able to buy Daredevil avoiding killing people because he is able to kick/punch/toss them with just the correct amount of pressure to avoid inflicting fatal injury. I don't necessarily give Batman that same leeway, because his entire character is based in the fact that he is a very exceptional human with no powers beyond will power, smarts, fat stacks of cash and some karate lessons.  

[Jingus]

I have seen it.  

What.  A.  Pile.  Of.  SHIT.  

 

72 Things Wrong With Batman vs Superman (complete with tons of SPOILERS):
 
-We start with doing ANOTHER FUCKING RETELLING OF THE WAYNE MURDERS.  What's that now, the fourth time we've seen this in a live-action movie in our lifetimes?  We really needed to waste ten minutes of an already-too-damn-long movie on this redundant waste?  

-It's hard to defend Superman's lousy heroics in the previous film, when this one shows us even more of the city being destroyed than we saw in the first place.  No, Niners, you cannot compare this to The Avengers.  Number of buildings collapsed by the Chitauri in NYC: zero.  Number of buildings collapsed by Kryptonians in Metropolis: ...shit, I honestly don't know, there were too many to easily count.  "At least a dozen" is a safe bet.  There's no way that this didn't cause a HUGE death toll, with thousands upon thousands of people getting crushed.  

-So Jimmy Olsen is now a CIA agent?  Whoops, nope, Jimmy Olsen is shot in the head and dies.  Thanks, movie!  You're already blatantly ruining some of the most important core parts of the Superman mythos.  

-Why the hell did the lady cop shoot at Batman?  Even if she's a rookie, nobody on GCPD ever told her "and by the way, don't shoot the goddamn Batman"?  Especially since Bats is said to be friendly with the cops in this version.  

-Why is Batman branding criminals now?  They brought that up and then completely glossed over it, never really explained it at all.  Especially since it's openly said that anyone bearing the brand is automatically a dead man.  

-Why did the appearance of Bruce Wayne, Billionaire Philanthropist Goody-Two-Shoes at an illegal underground boxing match somehow not attract any attention?

-I don't buy this version of Lex Luthor.  AT ALL.  This is horrible, from the writing to the casting to the acting.  The comparisons to the wildly overacting Moriarty on Sherlock are very apt.  Except for one thing: Moriarty is at least supposed to be a shadowy criminal guy, while Luthor is a public figure who somehow has everyone fooled.  This despite everything about the guy absolutely SCREAMS "I'm a total fucking lunatic, a twitchy unreliable megalomaniac who cannot be trusted at any time for any reason, run away from me as fast as you can", even when he's trying to put on his facade to deal with the public.  I don't buy that anyone would want to work with him.  After that inexplicable weirdness where he shoves the candy into the senator's mouth, why doesn't that guy just go "fuck you, you're not getting ANYTHING from us", especially since he clearly didn't want to hand over Zod's body?  

-Since fucking when is Batman ever AN ALCOHOLIC?  Alfred dryly mocks him for drinking way too much.  I can't remember any point in the comics when Bruce was presented as a barely-functional drug addict (and no, that one thing with the Venom doesn't count).  

-The dialogue in this movie blows.  Everyone sounds like they're reading from a WWE script.  I'm not even joking, it has that same ponderous, artificial "these are all prepared remarks that we've memorized and are now reciting" quality to it that most of the promos on Raw do.  None of it feels even remotely like anything said by an actual human being at any point in the entire history of the world.  Everyone declaims their lines with such dreadful solemnity that they all sound like they're mumbling in a library.  The only spark of life, the only passion in the entire movie, come from Jeremy Irons (being a professional of a "I can read the phone book and make that shit sound awesome" level) and, sadly, Eisenberg (being... I don't even know what the fuck he's supposed to be, like Jack Black playing Ledger-Joker).  

-Luthor doesn't have ANY security in the "roomful of supercomputers which contain incriminating evidence of his illegal activities" in his own mansion?  Not even a lock on the door?  Especially on a night when he's hosting dozens of strangers at a party in his house?  

-Since when is Wonder Woman a computer expert?  How did she know that Bruce had left that gimmick there, and how did she know what it did?  

-It's the height of screenwriting laziness when any random scene is written to just so happen to take place during a holiday, so that the scene will be punched up with a little bit of extra-festive flavor which has nothing to do with the actual events which are happening in the midst of all the local color.  Y Hello Thar, big deadly fire in Mexico right in the middle of the Day Of The Dead!  "This scene seems boring... let's have everyone wearing skull makeup" is a fucking terrible band-aid to try and cover up a scene which is, indeed, still boring.  

-Okay, there is one blatant exception to the All This Dialogue Sucks rule: Neil DeGrasse Tyson, who clearly wrote all his own lines.  His little monologue about the meaning of having a Superman on earth was a night-and-day difference from all the other speech in the movie, lively and jazzy and openly considering the ramifications without resorting to theatrical proclamations.  And I think it actually hurts the movie by contrasting, especially since it does that thing where having a real-life celebrity suddenly show up playing themselves in a fictional cameo is so damn distracting.  

-These dream sequences are god-damned ridiculous.  Not just in their overused quantity, but in their content as well.  I can only imagine what must've been either bewildered silence or howls of laughter from the casual viewers when Batman suddenly goes John Woo  with guns blazing, and then a bunch of flying monkeys suddenly show up.  (Yeah, I know, parademons, but they looked like flying fucking monkeys.)  And have any of you ever had a dream in which you get knocked out and wake back up, inside the dream?  I sure haven't.  

-All of Batman's supercomputers and business connections couldn't discover the fact that "White Portuguese" was a ship, despite the fact that ship's names are legally recorded in countless documents and databases?  

-Gee, Bruce sure went from "I'm not sure I like that Superman fellow" to "I MUST ASSASSINATE HIM" in the blink of a fuckin' eye.  

-How did he teleport from standing on top of that tower to driving the Batmobile at ground level in even less than the blink of a fuckin' eye?  

-First confirmed Bat-kill: when he drags the car around behind him, recklessly crashing it into twenty different things.  There's no way the guys inside managed to survive that.  

-Speaking of the Batmobile: I don't like this new design.  It's ugly.  Really, really ugly.  It's largely a ripoff of the one from the Nolan trilogy, except smaller and less powerful-looking, nullifying the entire "Bats has a TANK" feel of that one.  

-Second confirmed Bat-kill: machine-gunning the shit out of that other car, blowing it up, certainly massacring everyone inside.  No.  Just fucking NO.  That is NOT acceptable behavior for Batman, ever, period!  We've spent almost thirty years complaining about Keaton doing it in '89, so having another one do it now is even less excusable than the last time.  

-Third confirmed Bat-kill: he lands the Batmobile on the back of the trailer, crushing it, obviously squashing at least one of the guys who was standing there.  

-Batman's brilliant plan when he sees Superman for the first time: "Ram him with my car!"  Because obviously that will do so much damage to a guy he's personally witnessed crash through entire buildings.  

-Why does Superman want to stop Batman in the first place?  They're doing the exact same job, in nearly identical manners.  

-Why does every covert tracking device in this universe have a big obvious blinking red light on it, just screaming "LOOK AT ME!"?  

-Why did the legless guy suddenly decide to start hating Bruce, the guy who saved his life and pulled him out of the rubble at great personal risk?  

-And just to make Snyder look even more like a Roland Emmerich-style hack, we blow up a national landmark.  

-Did Luthor really just execute Mercy Graves?  I HATE THIS VERSION OF LEX.  I FUCKING HATE HIM!!!  

-This movie's night scenes have an awfully heavy portion of Orange-&-Blue lighting, where you cast warm orange on one side of a person's face and cold blue on the other side, making them look all conflicted 'n shit in the most heavyhanded manner possible.  It's a common sin of modern filmmaking, like overuse of handheld cameras, but that still doesn't excuse every individual movie that abuses it.  

-Why are Clark and Lois the only people who get along in this entire movie?  Everybody else are all aggressively hostile towards each other, snapping and snarling and just generally being unlikable assholes.  

-The Kryptonian Archive apparently has even less security than Lex's computer room.  "Hello, not-a-Kryptonian, allow me to immediately reveal all my people's deepest secrets!".  

-Even in today's ludicrously non-fact-based political atmosphere, I don't buy that the public would blame Superman personally for a terrorist bombing.  

-Wonder Woman, in full Amazonian regalia, apparently fought in World War One... and nobody noticed?  History books don't mention that?  The entire world didn't record anything besides a single picture (which she posed for, so it's not like she's allergic to publicity) of this amazing phenomenon?  

-Pa Kent turns up (in another fucking dream sequence) just long enough to tell Clark: "Son, never be a hero.  There's no such thing.  You'll only make everything worse.  Heroes suck."  And the movie seems to frame this defeatist little speech as if he has a really good point.  

-Why, exactly, is stately Wayne Manor now a hollowed-out ruin?  

-The only time I laughed in the first ninety minutes: when Nancy Grace shows up, self-righteously bitching about Superman not being good enough.  But then I remembered "oh yeah, that's not a joke, she really is that stupid and awful in real life" and I just got grumpy again.  

-This soundtrack sucks.  It sounds like a parody of regular Batman music.  It's hard to believe that this crap was composed by the same genius who made the brilliant, unconventional, unnerving tunes for The Dark Knight.  

-Exactly how far apart are Metropolis and Gotham supposed to be, geographically speaking?  This movie makes it feel like they're Dallas and Fort Worth, right next door to each other.  Everybody seems to be able to travel from one to another within a few minutes.  Even worse, half the time, I can't tell which city we're supposed to be in right now.  There's not much effort spent in differentiating the two.  

-Y'know, it makes it a lot harder to believe that nobody realizes Clark is Superman when 1.it's become a running joke among the public that he's always saving Lois, and 2.Lois and Clark LIVE TOGETHER in this version.  Also: why the hell doesn't he change his hairstyle when he's Clark?  It's always combed the same way.  

-Speaking of which, I don't like this version of the character where, even in his rookie years, fucking everybody already knows Clark's secret identity.  Lois met him as a Kryptonian before ever getting to know him as a man, and Luthor seemed to figure him out without even trying (or bothering to explain how he did it0.  

-You know something I'm deeply tired of seeing in superhero movies?  Goddamned DADDY ISSUES being everybody's character motivation.  In this movie, Clark AND Bruce AND especially Lex are ALL motivated by the failings of their fathers.  

-Why doesn't Superman just kill Luthor?  We know he's willing to take lives.  And even if he decides not to kill Lex, why doesn't he just use his heat vision to vaporize Lex's penis, to give Luthor a lil' reminder of what happens when you spit in God's face?  And since when does he negotiate for hostages?  This is a guy who can literally see and hear the whole world.  His mother wouldn't stay hidden for long, he can find anyone anywhere.  And we have direct proof of that, he can hear Lois screaming for her life even when she's on a different continent.  

-Bruce's opening trap against a man who can fly is... a glorified land mine that Superman has to STEP ON in order to activate?  How the hell did he know that Kal-El would happen to land right there?  And also, not see it with his omniscient vision?  

-And then, of course, machine guns.  Because this version of Batman loves machine guns so damn much that he can't resist using them on a target he knows is completely bulletproof.  

-A smokescreen can fool Superman now?  Superman can't see through fucking smoke?  

-Gee, it's convenient that Batman just-so-happened to have the precise amount of kryptonite necessary to nerf Supes's powers but do nothing else.  It would've been terrible undramatic if 1.Supes wasn't hurt enough to NOT still squash Batman like a jobber, or 2.if it'd just fuckin' killed him outright.  And how timely its effectiveness was, to have Superman impaired for just long enough to take a heel beatdown before Hulking Up to make his comeback (complete with the goddamn Batman begging off like Ric Flair).  

-In fact, the whole "Batman beats the shit out of a kryptonite-weakened Superman" part felt like I was watching a direct remake of the "Luthor beats the shit out of a kryptonite-weakened Superman" scene in Superman Returns.  Even a few of the individual shots were identical.  They also both featured Superman getting cut with a kryptonite blade.  

-Superman's punch shattered Batman's metallic armored faceplate... but didn't even SCRATCH the face underneath the plate?  Come the fuck on.  And since when does Batman have the superhuman-level strength it takes to throw a fully-grown man around as if he were a literal ragdoll?  

-I guess it's a good thing that this long, chaotic fight JUST SO HAPPENED to wind down in the exact spot where Batman had planted his kryptonite spear.  Woulda been a real shame if they'd wandered away to a different location.  

-The movie's constant little flashbacks to itself are really annoying.  "We don't think you're smart enough to remember who Martha was, so we're going to show you a replay of her death, plus her name inscribed on a tombstone, plus Thomas whispering her name as he died.  GET IT???"  

-Everyone else has already pointed this out, but it's stupid enough to be worth mentioning again: "Wow, our moms have the same name!" is a terrible reason to suddenly rethink every single thing you're doing.  

-Aaaaand the Batplane makes the exact same "flying" sound effect as various spaceships in the PREQUEL trilogy of Star Wars.  Because we needed even more reason to think of disappointing new franchises which don't even remotely live up to what we've seen before.  

-Really, of all random DC hired-henchmen to use for Luthor's goon, why KGBeast of all people?  Especially since they never even called him by that name.  Especially since they completely changed his appearance and his personality.  

-Yet another blatant murder by the bat man, machine-gunning another vehicle and exploding it, clearly killing everyone inside.  

-And now he grabs one goon and forces him to wildly spray bullets at his comrades.  It's hard to tell because everything's all darkly lit and the handheld camera is shaky and everything is edited to half-second jump cuts, but it looked like at least one or two guys probably got shot dead.  

-And he basically says "oh, you got a grenade?  EAT IT", detonating and murdering two more guys.  

-His armor can stop a point-blank gunshot to the head, but it can't stop a regular knife?  In the words of the amazing Spider-man: "Oh no, it's my one weakness, SMALL KNIVES!"

-And he murders two MORE guys in another explosion by deliberately blowing up the flamethrower.  Niners, do NOT try to sweep all this bullshit under the rug, it's a whole bunch of intentional homicides in a row.  

-Superman just stands there and lets Lex finish his science experiment?  

-The very concept of including Doomsday this early in the game is ridiculous.  It's terrible pandering to the fanboys.  And the WAY he was included in this movie was even worse, flagrantly retconning the character's backstory.  It's basically the same deal as how Venom was shoehorned into Spider-man 3 on both counts.  

-Also, they could've designed Doomsday's's CGI to not look exactly like a Hobbit cave-troll.  And also exactly like the Abomination from The Incredible Hulk.  They managed the impressive feat of making him an uncanny doppelganger for both.  

-And the FIRST thing Doomsday does is... throw a punch which is utterly no-sold by Superman, caught in mid-air, making him look like an utter bitch who poses no threat.  Nice job building up your monster heel, guys!  Yet mere moments later he's mercilessly beating Supes like a punching bag.  There's no consistency here, everyone's powers get stronger or weaker as the script demands it.  

-Something they didn't bring up: let's say Doomsday did kill Superman.  THEN WHAT?  What was Lex's brilliant plan to deal with his own unstoppable monster made of pure rage, who is (maybe) even stronger than Superman and only wants to kill everything it sees?  And hey, why does Doomsday suddenly have all of Electro's powers?  

-Why is Superman rassling with Doomsday in orbit?  They've established that Doomsday can't fly.  He can only jump; and in space, he's got no leverage to jump FROM anything.  Why doesn't Superman just throw him into space?  

-The military makes the unwise decision to fire a nuclear missile at the villains, despite the fact that the heroes will be caught in the blast too.  Yeah, because we didn't see THE EXACT SAME THING in The Avengers.  Except this time the nuke actually explodes, and they just quietly ignore the fact that the fallout should rain deadly radiation all over the city.  And both Superman and Doomsday should be radioactive for the next thousand years.  

-Earlier in the movie they established that this version of Superman needs to breathe, when Batman shot him twice with kryptonite gas.  But now he can just hang around in the vacuum of space and be just fine?  

-Rather than "I'll go get the spear, then come back and kill this monster while it's still in an uninhabited wasteland", Batman's genius plan is "I'll get the laser-spitting monster to follow me back to my densely-populated city, and just hope I can grab the spear before it kills me and everyone else"?  It's immediately proved to be a bad idea, when Doomsday promptly shoots down the batplane and then proceeds to flatten seemingly every single building within a one-mile radius, slaughtering God only knows how many innocent people.  

-"Hey guys, let's do something we've never done before, and have Lois nearly suffocate to death in an enclosed underground location at the end of a Superman movie!  Also, I'm quite sure that Superman has never almost drowned in an underground pool while in close proximity to kryptonite.  SURELY both things never happened in the same film before!"  

-Exactly how powerful is this version of Wonder Woman?  At one point in the fight, she's hacking Doomsday's limbs off and no-selling his energy blasts like they're nothing.  At others, he's smacking her around like a grizzly bear mauling a helpless child.  

-Since when do they do mandatory head-shavings in prison? That seems like such a fuckin' weak excuse for Bald Luthor.  

-Exactly how did they manage to have Superman AND Clark die separately?  It seems like the body went back to Martha Kent, so isn't the rest of the world all like "hey, if Superman's really dead, where the hell is his corpse"?  What the hell was in that coffin which the military was burying?  

-There's that many bagpipers in rural Kansas?  Also: fuck you, movie, for shamelessly using what sounds like the exact same funeral music that Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan used for Spock.  

-Did absolutely anyone buy, for one second, that Superman was really dead and honestly wouldn't come back?  

 

 

 

So yeah, in conclusion, fuck a bunch of that.  

And just for the record, all this is coming from a guy who actually LIKED Man of Steel, for the most part.  But this lousy, lousy sequel has ignored everything I thought made that movie interesting, while doubling down on all of its regrettable flaws.  All of its good parts (and those were a deeply-oppressed minority) had been done better in previous films, while it managed to invent several newly unique bad parts.  This seriously felt like some Blade 3 type of mediocrity: not the worst comic book adaptation in the world, but nowhere near as good as the movies which preceded it in the same franchise.  And seriously, I can't say "motherfuck Jesse Eisenberg" enough, that was the single worst portrayal of Lex Luthor that I've ever seen in any medium.  
 

[AxB]

22 minutes ago, Jingus said:

-I don't buy this version of Lex Luthor.  AT ALL.  This is horrible, from the writing to the casting to the acting.  The comparisons to the wildly overacting Moriarty on Sherlock are very apt.  Except for one thing: Moriarty is at least supposed to be a shadowy criminal guy, while Luthor is a public figure who somehow has everyone fooled.  This despite everything about the guy absolutely SCREAMS "I'm a total fucking lunatic, a twitchy unreliable megalomaniac who cannot be trusted at any time for any reason, run away from me as fast as you can", even when he's trying to put on his facade to deal with the public.  I don't buy that anyone would want to work with him.  

[Brian Fowler]

The drinking Bruce Wayne bit: see my comment above about taking lines from the comics and using them void of their original context. It's from DKR. when Bruce was retired. He stopped drinking the moment he went back to being Batman.

I *think* the idea was every bullet and missile made Doomsday stronger because science.

[Niners Fan in CT]

Terrible article or was that Jingus own write up? Most of that makes no sense but we've been down all those roads before. No point in revisiting all the nitpicky crap.

[Niners Fan in CT]

$15M on a Monday is pretty good. The movie is still on par with Iron Man 3 domestically in that little "showdown" thing that BOM does but we'll see what happens with the weekend.

[Jingus]

32 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Terrible article or was that Jingus own write up? Most of that makes no sense but we've been down all those roads before. No point in revisiting all the nitpicky crap.

All me, baby.  (The two different times I directly mentioned your name, might be a hint.)  All stuff taken directly from the movie.  All making total sense.  

 

 

And AxB: point taken, but this version of Lex makes Trump look like Bill Gates or Oprah in comparison.  He is SO aggressively antisocial at all times, mumbling and twitching and gibbering like a literal mental patient, that I couldn't believe anyone ever going along with a single word he says.  

[Niners Fan in CT]

2 minutes ago, Jingus said:

All me, baby.  (The two different times I directly mentioned your name, might be a hint.)  All stuff taken directly from the movie.  All making total sense.   

You want to get nuts?  Okay, let's get nuts.  Start with the top.  You bring up the Wayne's origin story. Why do we need to see it?  It's pulled directly from the comics they are adapting right down to the pearls and everything. It's not ten minutes, it's more like four minutes.  It's a quick reminder. If anyone had been living in the batcave for the last twenty or thirty years, it's a quick little jump into "okay, this is Batman, this is what he's been through, this is what he does" You like comparing things to Marvel right?  So compare it to Hulk.  Do we need to see Hulk's origin? Hell no. But it's there... we are always reminded of it. They weren't going to spend an entire film on Batman's origins because THAT would have been crazy but four minutes is not a big deal at all. 

Are you going to retort each time or should I move on to the next one?  

[(BP)]

The origin was in there because they wanted to lay the Martha groundwork from jump street. I don't know why Thomas had to instigate his and his wife's murder, but whatever. The only good reason to really do it is if Jeffrey Dean Morgan is going to be Flashpoint Batman in the solo Flash movie.  

[Casey]

Hahahahaha, comparing Hulk's origin story to the most FAMOUS ORIGIN STORY OF ALL TIME? Well, maybe behind Spider-Man, but you get the idea.

You're really grasping at straws now. Granted, I couldn't make it through half of Jingus' list, but they're all valid points.

[Niners Fan in CT]

Are you fucking kidding me?  Hulk's origin isn't famous?  Everyone knows that shit.     I can almost guarantee somehow someway Peter is getting bit by that fucking spider in the solo movie.

[EVA]

Jingus, some friendly advice:  Next time you decide to post a list of 72 complaints against a movie, DO NOT lead with that fact.  At least make me have to scroll down 2 or 8 times before I have to think to myself, "Jesus, how long is this?"

As it is, I see "72 Things Wrong..." and I'm like nope nope nope.

[Casey]

2 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Are you fucking kidding me?  Hulk's origin isn't famous?  Everyone knows that shit.     I can almost guarantee somehow someway Peter is getting bit by that fucking spider in the solo movie.

I would bet you money that Marvel is smarter than that and knows their fanbase doesn't need to be reminded the origin story of their most popular superhero. Real fuckin' talk.