RIPPA Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Fujinami makes more sense WWE wise than Abby did And again - Vince's limo driver is in the HOF so why anyone questions who gets selected is beyond me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteCarl Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 People throw this "Vince's limo driver" line out all the time, but don't realize that James Dudley also was one of the first (THE first?) black promoters of wrestling back in the day and that the "limo driver" job was just Vince giving this guy some job security in his twilight years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I actually know that about Dudley. I was just using him for the quick "meme" quality that the reference makes (since as you said - that is the way most folks know him). But I apologize for using it since I could have easily have used a bunch of other guys (not even counting the celebrities) But I think folks should still realize the general point. I mean Fujinami is more qualified for a WWE HOF than Sting is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 If they're going to put people in based on their career accomplishments outside of WWE, where's Vader? Held three World titles for three different companies on three different continents and that's not good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Hunter wants the rest of the Kliq in, and because of the old "one jockstrap mask per year" rule, next year will be Aldo Montoya, then Vader after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 If they're going to put people in based on their career accomplishments outside of WWE, where's Vader? Held three World titles for three different companies on three different continents and that's not good enough? It will happen eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 When Vader goes in they must include the footage of him jumping on a trampoline, and in flip flops. Do you think if Vince brought Vader in and gave him a new gimmick he would have been more successful. Look at Foley. He was famous as Cactus, but the Mankind gimmick took him to new heights. Then again there is the Ringmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Oh c'mon. Mankind was at least 90% Foley, and most of the rest was probably Taker. Vince was gonna bring him in as "Mason the Mutilator". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 With chains and shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Okay I rephrase for the guy above who hates Vince. Let's say evil Vince made Vader change his gimmick, and Vader and the Undertaker took Vince's shitty idea and made it better. Would Vader have been better off long term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Okay I rephrase for the guy above who hates Vince. That for me? Because I don't hate Vince. You just got shit wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 He's just trying to get you to answer the question, which you still aren't doing. The answer is "yes." Fucking March. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 If Vince had pushed Vader the way every other promoter who ever employed Vader did, they way every promoter figured out was the best way to get the most out of Vader... it wouldn't have mattered if he'd changed his gimmick or not. But he blew the push, and Vader was unsuccessful. But obviously that's Vader's fault because I must hate Vince or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 He's just trying to get you to answer the question, which you still aren't doing. Yeah but I didn't care about his question. I was talking about what interested me. But fine: AxB is right, and I'll add that the answer is not "yes", the answer is "It's fucking Vader. You don't need to gimmick him up. You need to let him go and maul people." Which they did and it worked great right up until he ran into the Shawn Michaels backstage buzzsaw and that was the beginning of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 double-post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Alright boys, let's all put your knives away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 It's still fucking Vader. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I'm trying to think of what kind of gimmick Vince circa 1995-96 would have given Vader. With the blue collar gimmicks back then, I'd lay money on truck driver. Large Leon or maybe Big Red. As long as it was still Vader doing Vader stuff it could have worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 A godzilla gimmick called Kaiju Crusher White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMDRAGON Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 He could have been the new Natural Disaster as Avalanche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Avalanche was Earthquake's name in WCW, for about two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Quite a bit longer than that. The 3 Faces of Fear thing ran for the last few months of 94 before he was repackaged as The Shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Thinking about it, Mason the Mutilator was inspired by Foley previously using the name Cactus Jack Manson. Vader used to use the name Baby Bull. So his alternative WWF gimmick would have been Bul. Or Bay. Or Bay the Bul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenalysis Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm trying to think of what kind of gimmick Vince circa 1995-96 would have given Vader. With the blue collar gimmicks back then, I'd lay money on truck driver. Large Leon or maybe Big Red. As long as it was still Vader doing Vader stuff it could have worked. Wasn't that his AWA gimmick? He wore the trucker hat and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Based on the pop culture time warp Vince is stuck in this would've been around the time he heard CW McCall's Convoy. Vader could have been a long-haul trucker. Vince, misunderstanding the lyrics, brings in an actual bear for Vader to feud with. Much better than his actual WWF run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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