Brian Fowler Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Dear god, Amazing Spider-Man might as well have been called "Spider-Man Begins" so obvious was it's desire to be a Dark Knight trilogy for Spidey and Sony. (The action scenes in ASM2 are pretty great, but the tone of the movie is bleak bordering on nihilistic.)
Bustronaut Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 I skipped the Parker parents stuff, made the movie much better
Brian Fowler Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 I know it's straight from the comics, but for fuck's sake they even killed his love interest at the same point in the series.
Chaos Posted October 28, 2014 Author Posted October 28, 2014 The other problem with ASM 2 was that it was one of the more blatant Jamie Foxx "I am just collecting a paycheck" performances of all time. Foxx has steadily been doing that since he had his banner year with Ray and Collateral. The only performance of his that maybe didn't fall under that category was The Soloist. I also am not sure that Mark Webb is the guy you want filming a big tent movie with big action set pieces. His stronger films are not ones that hint him displaying that gift.
Chaos Posted October 28, 2014 Author Posted October 28, 2014 Did you see Django? I completely forgot about Django. It seems to be the one Tarantino film I never think about. 1
jumbojustice Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 The other problem with ASM 2 was that it was one of the more blatant Jamie Foxx "I am just collecting a paycheck" performances of all time. Fair enough, but that character was just dreadfully conceived and written anyway - no amount of good acting could have rescued it. That role got just as much effort out of Foxx as it deserved. I totally agree with Fowler that the ASM movies were needlessly dark and anti-fun, almost certainly in attempt to rip off the Nolan-Batman formula. But I will say this: if Christopher Nolan actually directed those movies, they would still be needlessly dark and anti-fun, but they also would have been a hell of a lot better.
tigertooth Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 I left out V for Vendetta because I didn't consider it to be "big" enough to include. YMMV. I did include Watchmen. I didn't include the Ghost Rider movies, which I imagine were dark (I never saw them). Also didn't include Elektra, Punisher: War Zone, Spirit, Jonah Hex, Dredd, or the latest TMNT. I don't consider Sin City or From Hell to be superhero movies. Also, they were both released before Batman Begins. ASM had some teenage Peter stuff that seemed pretty light, but I can see the point. Not so sure about ASM2. I mean, I guess upon further reflection you can put it wherever you want, given that the tone was all over the map. The bits that left the biggest impression on me were the fun action sequences and the stupid Revenge of the Nerds pre-Electro Jamie Foxx, both of which are on the light side. I think both ASMs were trying for a good bit of fun; they just failed. Anyway, my main point was that there have been plenty of non-darkgritty superhero movies since BB, and that post-Avengers and Guardians, I would expect more.
Elsalvajeloco Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 ASM had some teenage Peter stuff that seemed pretty light, but I can see the point. Not so sure about ASM2. I mean, I guess upon further reflection you can put it wherever you want, given that the tone was all over the map. The bits that left the biggest impression on me were the fun action sequences and the stupid Revenge of the Nerds pre-Electro Jamie Foxx, both of which are on the light side. I think both ASMs were trying for a good bit of fun; they just failed. This pretty much sums up my thoughts. The last thing I would associate with the Amazing Spider-Man movies is The Dark Knight trilogy. Foxx's character was more Joel Schumacher than Nolan. 1
RRR Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 He's not a one trick pony.He has many tricks and a great imagination. Doesn't make him a great director.Just makes him stand out amongst the terrible ones which their are alot of.
TheVileOne Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 ASM had some teenage Peter stuff that seemed pretty light, but I can see the point. Not so sure about ASM2. I mean, I guess upon further reflection you can put it wherever you want, given that the tone was all over the map. The bits that left the biggest impression on me were the fun action sequences and the stupid Revenge of the Nerds pre-Electro Jamie Foxx, both of which are on the light side. I think both ASMs were trying for a good bit of fun; they just failed. This pretty much sums up my thoughts. The last thing I would associate with the Amazing Spider-Man movies is The Dark Knight trilogy. Foxx's character was more Joel Schumacher than Nolan. I'm still in disbelief that version of Max Dillon got past the script stage.
Jrag Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Inception is my favorite Nolan film by far, so I'm super pumped for Interstellar. Going to see it in IMAX today. The critics are very divided, so I'm sure we will all have plenty of words to say on the matter.
Bustronaut Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 His interview on Good Morning America confirmed he's continued the journey far up his own ass.
Petey Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Saw Interstellar in IMAX last night. Definitely enjoyed it. Visually it was spectacular. It definitely felt long though (probably didn't help that I went to an 11:15 showtime and the older I get, the less often I stay up that late).
EVA Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 I saw it last night. Unfortunately, the only IMAX in town only shows educational type shit, so I felt like I was missing out on something. Still, thought it was great. It had some flaws that I think mainly stemmed from Nolan trying to answer some of the criticisms about his style, but the stuff that's in his wheelhouse, he knocks out of the park. I'm consistently amazed at the scale of visuals he's able to pull off without it looking like a big CGI wank.
Burgundy LaRue Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Nolan doesn't do a lot of CGI, I think? McConaughey noted in a recent interview that the sets were built from scratch.
JRGoldman Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 To me, Nolan is like the Banksy of film directors. His stuff is generally fun, enjoyable, and clearly made by a talented person who has skills. That does not mean that it holds up when his fans continue to ascribe subtext and meaning that isn't necessarily there.
Jrag Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 I'm not a huge Nolan fanboy by any means, but there is something great about a creative filmmaker with an endless budget. IMAX just seems like the way to go on this one.
AxB Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Watched Interstellar this afternoon. It's written by the same guy who write Contact, who is apparently a proper science guy who never really had anything to do with science fiction. For some reason, his work puts me in mind of this (from Marilyn Manson's autobiography): (Daisy Berkowitz) spent most of his time in the lobby of the studio with his headphones on, playing hackneyed hard-rock licks into his four-track recorder. He had never listened to heavy metal as a teenager, so he constsantly mistook his cliches for originality. You know how people criticised early Tarantino for making a Frankenstein's monster of a movie, stitching together bits of other better movies that were already made? That's what Interstellar is like. Also, on the way home Xavier asked me why every space movie has a bit at the end where they get back to Earth. I haven't let him watch Alien movies yet. Did anyone not clock Matt Damon as a heel immediately? Because whilst I was engaged with the movie up until he died, and I could get behind McConaughey being good enough of a pilot to still dock with the station, if it had ended with him sacrificing himself to save Dr Brand and the human race, that would have been better than him realising that falling into a black hole turns you into God 1
Niners Fan in CT Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 Just got back from Interstellar. It was visually amazing. No surprise there. Great cast too and everyone was on fire but a few were definitely underutilized. I was with EVERYTHING until What the fuck happened in that black hole!?! But I still enjoyed it. It was very long though. It felt very long.
AxB Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 He wields a lot of power in Hollywood. And with great power, comes greatly enhanced running time. It was bloody long though. Nearly three hours, and with a slow pace that made it feel longer. We both took bathroom breaks without missing anything. Couldn't do that during Crank 2: High Voltage, could you?
Death From Above Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 Most of the criticisms of Nolan in this thread seem like things that were written about the Wachowski brothers and pasted into this thread as a rib. Although Nolan has never made a "brave political film" full of absolute rubbish that he wasn't even brave enough to set in his own country, so at least he'll always have that as a very clear advantage.
TheVileOne Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 C'mon, there is nothing brave about how The Dark Knight Rises addresses politics. I get the references to Occupy, 99%'ers and all that, but it's really all just superficial details to the actual story. It's not major subtext. I guess unless you think Nolan hates Occupiers and Bane and the League of Shadows are a proxy for the Occupy movement or something. 1
Bustronaut Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 Justine Tunney (Late of Google) showed just how easily swayed to the wrong path the "higher ups" in Occupy could be.
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