Jrag Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hank is going about this whole situation all wrong and I'm glad Jesse called him out on it. That was my favorite moment of the episode. I'm feeling confident that Walt is going to end up killing Hank at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Jones Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Do we know for certain that Walt really just wanted to talk to Jesse? It does seem to indicate that's the case since he called in the hit on Jesse after the fact... but with this show I can never quite be sure. I was starting to believe that between Skyler and the emotional moment with Flynn that Walt may have been persuaded to kill Jesse. But if he really did just want to try to reason with him and Jesse's paranoia is what tips their relationship completely over the edge based on a total guess, that would really disappoint me just as a fan of the show. I know their relationship has been hanging by the fingernails off a precipice above a fire pit of hell for a long while, but it still felt like that was a definitive moment where Jesse snapped and went all in, as sydneybrown mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 Who knows if Walter is actually going to let Todd and his uncle kill Jesse? This could be his ultimate half measure. I think Walter might know that Jesse went back to work with Hank based on him leaving the plaza the way he did. First, he disappears off the radar with his vehicle still on the White premises. Then, he makes a mad dash in the opposite direction when he was suppose to talk to Walt. Walt may have a trap of his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I think Walt genuinely does care about and doesn't want to kill Jesse (as well as Hank), but Walt has created an atmosphere where no one truly trusts him anymore, and Walt is past the point of no return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hank is going about this whole situation all wrong and I'm glad Jesse called him out on it. That was my favorite moment of the episode. I'm feeling confident that Walt is going to end up killing Hank at this point.This really was a good episode for characters explaining things that the audience has been thinking for a while. Hank explaining to Jesse that Walt cares about him, Jesse telling Hank he's doing it all wrong. Even Skyler spelling out the inconvenient truth about Jesse to Walt.But if he really did just want to try to reason with him and Jesse's paranoia is what tips their relationship completely over the edge based on a total guess, that would really disappoint me just as a fan of the show. I know their relationship has been hanging by the fingernails off a precipice above a fire pit of hell for a long while, but it still felt like that was a definitive moment where Jesse snapped and went all in, as sydneybrown mentioned.The definitive moment was when Jesse found out about the Brock poisoning. If their relationship wasn't definitively over when Jesse tried to burn his house down, it was when he blabbed everything to a DEA camcorder and stepped out of a surveilance van wearing a wire.The scene at the plaza was just Jesse realizing he was going to die, deciding he didn't want to, and coming up with a new idea on how to get Walt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 So I am all caught up. Plowed through about 4 episodes a day to get to this point. What an amazing series. I love that Hank is in full pissed off mode and can't wipe his "Vic Mackey I'mma kill you" look off his face. A million points also goes to Walter for saying, "I don't like the way you're looking at me right now." I'm torn though, because I don't know how I want this all to end. I have a feeling that we're going to receive an ending like The Shield's. No one wins, except for maybe Hank and Marie, but that's a tainted victory at best. As for everyone else, Skyler runs off with the kids and goes into hiding, Jesse kills himself, and Walter winds up going to prison, but doesn't care since he doesn't have long to live, until he finds out there's no easy way out because his cancer is back in remission. As for Todd, Todd gets a spinoff show. If nothing else, I think this raises Jesse Plemons' profile even more considering he's been on two of the best TV series of all time, and hopefully he gets more starring roles. Speaking of The Shield, I've come to the realization that Walt is worse than Vic was. First off, Vic would never even consider poisoning Brock, since hurting children was a major berserk button for him. Secondly, while both guys used family as a rationalization for what they did, Vic at least understood that he was a bad guy. In Walt's mind, he's still a hero. I guess you could say that to Vic, the ends justified the means, whereas to Walt, the ends purified the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territorial Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Show is definitely going out strong, it seems. I kinda expect that none of the major players will be left standing at the end - not Jesse, Walt, Skyler, Marie, Hank. I have no idea how this ends, I'm kinda wondering if someone tries to take out Walt and gets Skyler and/or Jr. instead, leading to the "flash forwards". Jesse? Marie? I can see Marie trying to poison Walt and getting his loved ones instead. I've wondered if the flash forwards don't have Walt stalking Jesse, blaming him for his downfall. Jesse takes out Skyler and Jr as "the better idea" he alluded to in last night's ep? I've had this Jesse theory for a couple weeks, and last night's ep makes it seem a little more plausible. There'd be a certain emotional catch there, since Walk apparently wasn't planning to kill Jesse at the meeting. I'm actively rooting for all of the White's extended family to be destroyed. Walt really deserves it, for a lot of reasons. And Skyler's speech last night.... wow. You kinda knew this is where the character is, emotionally, but it's still shocking to hear her admit it. Walter abandoned his ethics and morality at a moment's notice. He embraced Heisenberg. Sklyer has slowly abandoned her values and climbed into the same hole Walt's in in fits and starts. In a lot of ways, Skyler's turn has been more interesting to me. I've never really disliked Skyler until she recently. I wouldn't mind if Marie was the only one to walk away from this. That'd be kinda amusing, really. I also wouldn't mind seeing Jesse walk away unscathed, but that seems unlikely. He doesn't deserve a happy ending, imo, but, without Walt, he'd probably be a harmless, brain dead meth head. He's at least somewhat Walt's victim. Think Saul will survive? I expect him to walk away unscathed. If there's a nuclear war, I'd put money on the survivors being cockroaches, Twinkies, and Saul. He's just got a built-in survival instinct and no scruples about what he might need to do to stay afloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territorial Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Oh, and Walt has the worst cell phone carrier ever. No passcode on voice mail? I've had three carriers in 15 or so years and never seen that. C'mon, Walt, you're a drug kingpin. You can afford AT&T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I noticed that Hank and Marie had the Deadwood box set on their shelf. That must have got weird for them when they were watching it and Bullock's wife showed up in season 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Oh, and Walt has the worst cell phone carrier ever. No passcode on voice mail? I've had three carriers in 15 or so years and never seen that. C'mon, Walt, you're a drug kingpin. You can afford AT&T. What's with people being shocked that there wasn't a passcode? Is this an old person thing? Also, it was Jesse's phone not Walts. The phone Saul gave him in episode 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territorial Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Also, it was Jesse's phone not Walts. The phone Saul gave him in episode 3. Yeah, I knew better. Brain cramp. It was Walt's voice mails to Jesse that Hank was intercepting. Do most cell phones not have passcodes. I'm not an expert, but every phone/carrier I've ever dealt with made me set a security code before the voice mailbox was usable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 On my phone (HTC One w/ Sprint), you don't need a passcode to have your voicemail activated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 It looked like Jesse was given an iPhone, and the passcode for voicemail is optional. One thing I liked about this episode was how the first half focused around Walt, Saul, and his family, while the second half focused on Jesse and Hank. Kept wondering about Jesse over the entire first half of the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 We all know Todd and his uncle's Brotherhood crew are going to be the catalyst to something bad because they are hanging around the story's back pocket. I'm not so sure Walt is going to order Jesse's death(another half measure?), but we'll know next episode. I actually could see Todd's death setting off the shitstorm especially if Walt or Jess is the cause of it. Yeah, there's a prediction. Todd's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bink_winkleman Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Really enjoyed this episode. I loved Jesse telling Hank like it is, and it's clear by the end that it's Jesse, not Hank, getting the most out of the relationship. I think Hank is completely fucked at this point, and that makes me happy. I do wonder what Jesse's gameplan is. This is a longshot, but maybe he's going to tell (and somehow convince?) Jr. that his dad is a monster? The "hit you where you really live" line was intense. Think Saul will survive? I expect him to walk away unscathed. If there's a nuclear war, I'd put money on the survivors being cockroaches, Twinkies, and Saul. He's just got a built-in survival instinct and no scruples about what he might need to do to stay afloat. Saul is the cockroach. He survives everything. Who knows if Walter is actually going to let Todd and his uncle kill Jesse? This could be his ultimate half measure. I think Walter might know that Jesse went back to work with Hank based on him leaving the plaza the way he did. First, he disappears off the radar with his vehicle still on the White premises. Then, he makes a mad dash in the opposite direction when he was suppose to talk to Walt. Walt may have a trap of his own. YES. I don't think Walt is actually trying to kill Jesse, even with Sky's heel turn and such. This could be a kidnapping, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Ok, bizarre prediction time: Todd goes to threaten Jesse, and Jesse assuming the worst, shoots first. Lydia kills Jesse. The ricin in the flash forward is to kill Lydia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 It's not that I necissarily want Walt to get away in the end, I just don't want Hank to win. I'm kind of wondering if Walt's call to Todd was about Hank and not Jesse. Someone mentioned Marie fucking up trying to kill Walt and poisoning Jr/Skylar instead, that's definitely something I could see happening. In the 9 years I've had a cellphone I've never had a password for my voicemail, but I also don't have a smartphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Jones Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I haven't heard of anyone using passcodes for voicemail access in years and years. Most people who use smartphones do have a pin or some sort of swipe motion as a security measure to unlock the phone for any sort of use, but you can set that off as well, and considering Jesse's phone came from Saul's drawer of loaners, it would make sense that there wouldn't be a pin number assigned previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I don't know anyone without a passcode on their voicemail. BUT I live in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territorial Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 This thread is now about voice mail security options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 This thread is now about voice mail security options. No kidding. If you guys are going to nit-pick about phone details, you should at least have brought up not only how ridiculously easy it was to find a pay phone, but how Jesse actually knew Walt's number by heart. I know the show doesn't take place in the "present," but I don't think I've actually memorized anyone's phone number since 2002. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I know the show doesn't take place in the "present," but I don't think I've actually memorized anyone's phone number since 2002. Neither have most of us, Professional criminals, on the other hand, tend to memorize things, so its not implausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 This thread is now about voice mail security options. No kidding. If you guys are going to nit-pick about phone details, you should at least have brought up not only how ridiculously easy it was to find a pay phone, but how Jesse actually knew Walt's number by heart. I know the show doesn't take place in the "present," but I don't think I've actually memorized anyone's phone number since 2002. Honestly, how many burners has Jesse probably gone through in the last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigertooth Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I wouldn't mind if Marie was the only one to walk away from this. Marie and the baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Nah that baby is an asshole 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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