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Another question on the Rude hypothetical is if he goes to ECW the same time he did before, but wrestles this time around. He would have been in shortly before Barely Legal and if he's still wrestling, would he still be in a program with Shane Douglas? A Douglas/Rude match would have been much better than what we actually got.

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23 hours ago, SorceressKnight said:

I thought, if the Stephanie/Savage thing wasn't just something we made up, the story was "supposed to be" that Savage was on the prowl to go after Stephanie, and he had it planned as far back as the 1980s (with the alleged claim Savage banging Stephanie was his revenge on Vince for Vince refusing to book Angelo Poffo in some throwaway legends' battle royal in 1987.) Likewise, Vince apparently didn't find out until 1996, when Vince was in talks to bring Savage back to WWF and Stephanie would have disclosed it at that time.

that takes some intense conspiracy theory gymnastics to make plausible.

the much simpler scenario is that Savage liked them on the young side (see: Gorgous George and her claim that Savage wanted to have a threesome with her and her 17 y/o sister) and got a bit friendly with Steph (aka a bit statutory rapey) when he was in Stamford doing voiceovers or something.  Huge IF they ever hooked up for real.

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44 minutes ago, twiztor said:

that takes some intense conspiracy theory gymnastics to make plausible.

the much simpler scenario is that Savage liked them on the young side (see: Gorgous George and her claim that Savage wanted to have a threesome with her and her 17 y/o sister) and got a bit friendly with Steph (aka a bit statutory rapey) when he was in Stamford doing voiceovers or something.  Huge IF they ever hooked up for real.

Well, I'm just going with the alleged claim on the IF with what people argue on the claim for this theory. (Personally, the simpler reason is why I take stock in the simplest scenario: Slim Jim was one of WWF's biggest advertisers, and when Savage went to WCW, he took the Slim Jim sponsorship with him. It makes more sense, and doubles with how WWE was willing to work with Savage again for figures, video games, DVDs, etc. in 2010...which just so happened to be when Slim Jim started sponsoring WWE programming again.) 

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9 hours ago, SorceressKnight said:

Well, I'm just going with the alleged claim on the IF with what people argue on the claim for this theory. (Personally, the simpler reason is why I take stock in the simplest scenario: Slim Jim was one of WWF's biggest advertisers, and when Savage went to WCW, he took the Slim Jim sponsorship with him. It makes more sense, and doubles with how WWE was willing to work with Savage again for figures, video games, DVDs, etc. in 2010...which just so happened to be when Slim Jim started sponsoring WWE programming again.) 

Wasn’t there also a point where Savage was asking for some crazy amount of money and wouldn’t negotiate so Vince basically gave up on him? Savage had FU money and could hold a grudge and Vince is Vince, why is anyone shocked they couldn’t work things out. 

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Imagine a world where Sid gets cast as He-Man in a major Hollywood blockbuster and becomes the guy in the wrestling business to make it in Hollywood, not the Rock. 

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23 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said:

Imagine a world where Sid gets cast as He-Man in a major Hollywood blockbuster and becomes the guy in the wrestling business to make it in Hollywood, not the Rock. 

In this universe, did the '87(?) Dolph Lundgren movie ever happen (and bomb) or would this be the first Masters of the Universe movie made? The earlier this would happen, the more wrestlers could possibly jump into movies and actually succeed.

If the movie was an actual blockbuster, Sid could end up taking roles from other action stars during the timeframe this was happening and probably wrestle even less, especially if he was still taking the softball seasons off from being an active wrestler.

Maybe the Arn scissor-incident never happens and IF it does, it would draw way more negative attention to the wrestling industry than it actually did.

Whether Sid would end up with more or less World title reigns would depend on how long his Hollywood career lasts. If it would fizzle out after considerable initial success, one would have to think that any major company would jump at the chance to have him as their top star.

Also, maybe he never has that gruesome leg injury, either, if a Hollywood contract prevents him from taking anything more than minimal risks when in the ring, if he ever even gets back into the ring again. Of course, if the acting career has already jumped the shark at that point, maybe Sid still jumps the second rope anyway.

If the acting career takes him away from wrestling entirely, then who would get the opportunities he got in his place?

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It is pretty shocking, really, that Sid was never cast as at least a henchman in some Arnold or Stallone movie. The dude had an amazing look. 

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Late 90/Early 91 - Lundgren doesn't want to do the sequel. Rather than jump from WCW to WWF, Sid does the sequel. Maybe we get a Sid/Freddie Mercury collaboration.

Movie makes a modest return and gets relatively good reviews for what it is. Think TMNT II. Probably does well enough off the merchandise points to not need to wrestle again. But importantly the movie does better than Suburban Commando.

Hogan constantly angles to do business with him. You probably get Sid vs Hogan a year earlier and maybe at 8 anyway. Sid wins the first one and then Hogan gets his win back and retires.

Sid then goes on to make Sliver instead of Billy Baldwin and ends up having amazing sexual chemistry with Sharon Stone instead of trying to stab Arn Anderson.

 

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1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said:

Late 90/Early 91 - Lundgren doesn't want to do the sequel. Rather than jump from WCW to WWF, Sid does the sequel. Maybe we get a Sid/Freddie Mercury collaboration.

Movie makes a modest return and gets relatively good reviews for what it is. Think TMNT II. Probably does well enough off the merchandise points to not need to wrestle again. But importantly the movie does better than Suburban Commando.

Hogan constantly angles to do business with him. You probably get Sid vs Hogan a year earlier and maybe at 8 anyway. Sid wins the first one and then Hogan gets his win back and retires.

Sid then goes on to make Sliver instead of Billy Baldwin and ends up having amazing sexual chemistry with Sharon Stone instead of trying to stab Arn Anderson.

 

That's such good material, partner!

Does the sequel contain the line "My goodness, what happened to He-Man? He looks like he ate Prince Adam AND Battle Cat?!" at any point?

Does Sid go on to claim to be the "Master and Ruler of the UNIVERSE" , instead of just the world?

How about the late nineties and early 00's, when the famous 80's action stars started to lose their luster for a bit? Good or bad for Sid? Will he be there for Monday Night Wars, Attitude Era or InVasion era (provided the leg injury ends up not happening)?

A bit later still, would he qualify for a role in an Expendables or a Sharknado movie?

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Probably ends up losing a lot of money on failed marriages and a USFL franchise. Fights Mickey Rourke. Gets his face rearranged.

Comes back to the WWF in the Ventura role at Summerslam 99.

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On 8/10/2020 at 9:57 AM, RolandTHTG said:

Late 90/Early 91 - Lundgren doesn't want to do the sequel. Rather than jump from WCW to WWF, Sid does the sequel. Maybe we get a Sid/Freddie Mercury collaboration.

Movie makes a modest return and gets relatively good reviews for what it is. Think TMNT II. Probably does well enough off the merchandise points to not need to wrestle again. But importantly the movie does better than Suburban Commando.

Hogan constantly angles to do business with him. You probably get Sid vs Hogan a year earlier and maybe at 8 anyway. Sid wins the first one and then Hogan gets his win back and retires.

Sid then goes on to make Sliver instead of Billy Baldwin and ends up having amazing sexual chemistry with Sharon Stone instead of trying to stab Arn Anderson.

 

Or we could have had Sid instead of Zeus for No Holds Barred.  

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If Sid was on No Holds Barred, would this affect the WrestleMania VI main event? Just based on the notion that Hogan vs Zeus could have been a WM main event, if Zeus found a way not to suck so badly inside the ring. 

So maybe Sid v Hogan at WM VI, Hogan v Warrior at VII and Hogan v Sid rematch at VIII in accordence with Roland's universe. It's just that if Warrior wins the title in '91, one would assume he wouldn't be fired after SummerSlam'91, right?

Would this start a chain-reaction that ends up with stuff like Bret jumping to WCW in early '92 and million other things?

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It could,  But also think of this. Sid could work better than Zeus, therefore the need to have a tag partner would be eliminated.  Do Savage-Brutus and Sid-Hogan at Summerslam 89 as singles matches and the rest of the year can go as planned,  hell, have the Survivor series match the same and put Sid in the 1990 Rumble, maybe have him eliminated by Dusty or Bossman and have a Sid-Dusty,  Sid-Bossman feud.   Or better  Sid-Jake feud. going in to mania 6. 

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Apparently Nikita Koloff was heavily considered for the Drago role in Rocky IV, they liked his look. But he was just too big next to Stallone. I can imagine a few big stars feeling that way about Sid. Things seem to have changed a lot now though because The Rock had to be bigger than Nikita.

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On 8/10/2020 at 6:57 AM, RolandTHTG said:

 

Sid then goes on to make Sliver instead of Billy Baldwin and ends up having amazing sexual chemistry with Sharon Stone instead of trying to stab Arn Anderson.

 

 

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Moving away from Sid for a minute, I saw Shawn Michaels vs Kamala from '93 last year and all I could think of was "if this was '82 or even '87 Kamala and '96 or even '94 Michaels, this would be an amazing match!" Can you guys think of any other examples of matches that would have been much better with a time- machine involved?

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Big Van Vader & Mike Awesome vs Samoa Joe & Dan Maff happened in 2004. But if it had involved 1994 Vader and 1998 Awesome, it would probably have been better.

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3 minutes ago, paintedbynumbers said:

This was from JAPW correct?

Yes, it was. 

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3 hours ago, RolandTHTG said:

If WWF went to monthly PPVs from the get go, what sort of PPV cards did we miss out on between 85 to 94?

Not sure of full cards but a 2 main events I can think of:

I'm pretty sure we get a Savage vs Undertaker PPV match in late 1991

In 1994, between the Rumble and Wrestlemania X there would be a PPV main event between Bret and Luger to determine who gets the title shot against Yokozuna

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4 hours ago, RolandTHTG said:

If WWF went to monthly PPVs from the get go, what sort of PPV cards did we miss out on between 85 to 94?

You can probably get a good read just by going off of what they put onto the MSG/Spectrum/Meadowlands/Boston Garden shows. 

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