Cobra Commander Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 on the whole looking-athletic thing... we are giving exceptions to the unathletic people who could conceivably win a fight, right? and would Punk count there? So Roddy Piper is free to use the "go to sleep" taunt before applying a Sleeper at WM30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, this brings up the larger question of whether we're confusing Vince's fetish for bodybuilder physiques with "looking athletic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I remember this board wanking their cocks off in unison at that promo on Raw two years ago by Punk, how thing's change eh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie20x6 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 There are less than ten people on this board that even know what the inside of an athletic center looks like - let alone what someone that is athletic looks like. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 To Cobra Commander: Not if he doesn't work that way. William Regal works a style which realistically looks like it would be fucking awful to face. He works joints and tendons and stuff in a way that looks like it actually hurts. CM Punk's stuff looks like garbage so I don't give a fig if he can put his fist through a brick wall in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Wrestlers being not athletic enough or not athletic at all is about the dumbest fucking thing to talk about in reference to professional wrestling. I hope and pray to Harley Race that He comes and finds each one of you fucks and breaks your knee caps with some rebar, praise be to Harley Race. Amen. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, athleticism doesn't matter if you look like a dude that goes to bars to start fights and fuck people up for the fun of it. Harley Race fits that bill. Also, fat guys are awesome if they know how to do cool fat man shit like splashes in the corner and powerslams that look amazing. They don't have to look or be athletic. I think CM Punk's moves look like shit, but not because he's unathletic. John Cena is awkward in a lot of ways, but he's awesome at wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Don't blame me when Harley Race breaks your nose while you sleep. It wasn't my fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Okay Snitsky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Who would win in a real fight....70 year old Harley Race, or CM Punk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy! Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Oh God, Punk's offense is fine. It doesn't look any worse than 90% of the roster. Most of the moves he does are stuff the kids in the WWE universe have never seen before, no matter how sloppy he executes them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Harley Race. He would win a fight at 80 with a fifth of Dewar's in him, too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, this brings up the larger question of whether we're confusing Vince's fetish for bodybuilder physiques with "looking athletic". I've always hated the "look athletic" thing any way. How does someone look athletic? Either you can perform athletic feats or you can't, what you look like is fairly irrelevant. Does Warren Sapp look athletic? He is 300+ lbs, he's not that tall, and is kind of built like a bowling ball, but I'd be willing to bet he is a better athlete than everyone on WWE's roster. CM Punk isn't that athletic, but he doesn't really need to be. Everyone complaining about Punk and his lack of athletic ability is kind of missing the point. His entire character is basically the kid in school who got picked last, but he is tough and willing to do whatever it takes to win. It wouldn't make any sense if he looked like John Cena with his shirt off, because no one who looks like John Cena with his shirt off would call himself CM Punk. With all the shit people are talking about him, he is still consistently puts on really good matches. Do you guys think that Mick Foley's elbow should have looked like Randy Savage's elbow? They are different people, with different characters, and different skill sets, their should be differences in how these different guys look, act, and wrestle. Whether or not they look athletic is about as spurious of an argument as you can make on whether a guy named CM Punk is a good wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonr4s Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 This reminds me of the retarded fucking argument about Punk not looking big enough to compete with Lesnar at Summerslam, then they tore it up at the PPV. He drops a shitty elbow, but give me anything he does over Batista, old Rey, Del Rio, and boring fuckin' Randy Orton. Oh, and about 90% of the SuperCena bullshit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Daffney is having a GoFundMe for an autographical audiobook. In these two videos she (apparently, I haven't watched yet) talks in depth about her court case against TNA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeW8ZhOiEsk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew-AT3Ymp-c If TNA are smart (yeah, right) they'll pay her NOT to write this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Totally not looking forward to CM Punk turning into Chris Kluwe once Punk's Twitter is freed from WWE control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Vince likes Punk. I also think Austin will talk to Punk as well. So the last thing I expect at this point is Punk totally walking away or not remaining on contract. He's probably just pissed the Cubs were picked to finish dead last...again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Waiting for first "skinny fat fry cook" reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 John Cena is awkward in a lot of ways, but he's awesome at wrestling. Oh how far ye have fallen, "awesome". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Oh God, Punk's offense is fine. It doesn't look any worse than 90% of the roster. Most of the moves he does are stuff the kids in the WWE universe have never seen before, no matter how sloppy he executes them. Agree to disagree here. I always thought that Punk should have a more submission-based offense. It's odd that he would use the GTS because it's so hard to hit on a ton of guys, and his strikes look awful as well. He's the last guy that should have a strike-based offense centered around elbows, knees, and kicks. I do think that his in-ring work would be easier to buy for me if he were instead a counter-wrestler that worked limbs, baited wrestlers by playing dead or other psychological tricks that the announcers could point out (and that would fit with his character as he's a guy who clearly wants to be the cleverest guy ever in his promos). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy! Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Waiting for first "skinny fat fry cook" reference take a shower, hit the weights, get a clue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonr4s Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 You want athletic looking, watch Randy Orton. He's built well, tall and lean, reminds you of a UFC fighter, a walking Affliction shirt. His matches are less exciting than paint drying. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I wonder what the board reaction would have been like if Bryan had walked out instead of Punk? I understand he is a little more universally liked than Punk, but I'd bet money on people still throwing around "he was never that good anyway." This board has always been weird like that when it comes to wrestlers leaving the WWE. Remember when Kurt left and everyone was all "he will be dead in 6 months!!!"? Weird. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy! Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Oh God, Punk's offense is fine. It doesn't look any worse than 90% of the roster. Most of the moves he does are stuff the kids in the WWE universe have never seen before, no matter how sloppy he executes them. Agree to disagree here. I always thought that Punk should have a more submission-based offense. It's odd that he would use the GTS because it's so hard to hit on a ton of guys, and his strikes look awful as well. He's the last guy that should have a strike-based offense centered around elbows, knees, and kicks. I do think that his in-ring work would be easier to buy for me if he were instead a counter-wrestler that worked limbs, baited wrestlers by playing dead or other psychological tricks that the announcers could point out (and that would fit with his character as he's a guy who clearly wants to be the cleverest guy ever in his promos). The points about the GTS are valid, but he needed a "wow!" finishing move and clearly, it pops the crowd and they've been able to market the move itself pretty well. I do agree the psychology of his in-ring offense really makes no sense, but it doesn't really have to in the WWE. I think his strikes and stuff are fine. Agree it doesn't really make sense for him to be a "striker", but the way he executes it, although sloppy at times, is fine with me. I mean, it looks awful sometimes, but fuck he's no Rob Van Dam out there throwing obvious ghost punches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, this brings up the larger question of whether we're confusing Vince's fetish for bodybuilder physiques with "looking athletic". I've always hated the "look athletic" thing any way. How does someone look athletic? Either you can perform athletic feats or you can't, what you look like is fairly irrelevant. Does Warren Sapp look athletic? He is 300+ lbs, he's not that tall, and is kind of built like a bowling ball, but I'd be willing to bet he is a better athlete than everyone on WWE's roster. CM Punk isn't that athletic, but he doesn't really need to be. Everyone complaining about Punk and his lack of athletic ability is kind of missing the point. His entire character is basically the kid in school who got picked last, but he is tough and willing to do whatever it takes to win. It wouldn't make any sense if he looked like John Cena with his shirt off, because no one who looks like John Cena with his shirt off would call himself CM Punk. With all the shit people are talking about him, he is still consistently puts on really good matches. Do you guys think that Mick Foley's elbow should have looked like Randy Savage's elbow? They are different people, with different characters, and different skill sets, their should be differences in how these different guys look, act, and wrestle. Whether or not they look athletic is about as spurious of an argument as you can make on whether a guy named CM Punk is a good wrestler. I'm not saying that athletes cannot have different physiques. There is a great photo array out there of professional athletes from different sports and how a professional shot putter looks different than a professional volleyball player. Mark Henry is built the way he should be. He works a power gimmick. Mick Foley was built the way he should have been. He worked a lunatic gimmick fell off tall stuff. CM Punk works a 'best in the world' gimmick but doesn't look that way. He doesn't execute offense well enough to pull that gimmick off. He's Lance Storm working a technician gimmick when he just punches and throws drop kicks. If you want to say he is this underdog character, I have yet to see him ever act like he was over matched going into a match with his attitude or promo work. He is always, "I'm the best!" He doesn't work underdog. He works his offense in no matter the match up or context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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