odessasteps Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Contract, schmontract. everyones got a price for the billion dollar kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryArchieGus Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Paul Heyman and Extreme Championship Wrestling made me a fan of skilled performers getting 'a new coat of paint'. They and he helped revitalize so many misused WWF Superstars. Chris Candido, Bigelow, Credible, Snow, Johnny Polo, to name just a few. I'd like to think a guy with the skillset of a Mustafa Ali or a Nick Nemeth might have the ability to reinvent himself. I mostly only know Nemeth from his Heyman era OVW run. Some of the last TV wrestling I watched for many years. The rotten booking/ packaging/ presentation of Nemeth and his highly skilled OVW compatriots that the WWE called the Spirit Squad was part of an endpoint in my interest in Wrestling for many years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 It's so far unproven if Coach Tony is really capable of pulling a Heyman though, right? All the former stars that have shown up are known top guys that didn't need that fresh coat of paint, unless there's someone I'm missing. Serena? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 there's a few top AEW guys who just needed a breather, like didn't people think Joe was almost done by the end of his WWE time also, Billy Gunn in a mostly managerial role has been refreshed a bit from pretty much doing nothing for years there might be a difference between a Heyman "new coat of paint" sort of thing and Rick Rubin "just let them do what they do best instead of doing something else" approach 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarrie Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 On 12/21/2023 at 10:45 AM, Technico Support said: I'm really glad they went with the three way because a) Mox running the table and then having to wrestle a guy he already beat to make it to the finals would have been unfair in kayfabe and b) they get to save the proper Mox/Swerve singles rematch for down the road after more build. I wish it would be an elimination three way but bookers love the crutch of a first-pin three way. The problem with elimination three-ways is that it could never possibly work in a real sport. Though how big a problem that is for pro wrestling is debatable, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, tbarrie said: The problem with elimination three-ways is that it could never possibly work in a real sport. Though how big a problem that is for pro wrestling is debatable, of course. If you want to patent triple threat basketball games with a triangle court and three baskets, there might be money in this. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, tbarrie said: The problem with elimination three-ways is that it could never possibly work in a real sport. Though how big a problem that is for pro wrestling is debatable, of course. at the risk of overthinking it... an idea for this three way (or any three way in a three way tie in the future) White beat Moxley in 15 minutes (15:09) Moxley beat Swerve in 16 minutes (16:23) Swerve beat White in 15 minutes (15:27) White wrestled for 30:36, Moxley for 31:32, and Swerve for 31:50. Therefore, the match starts with Moxley and Swerve and White has to wait a minute before getting involved. Which would coincidentally give a little tiny advantage to the clear heel of those 3. Now if you wanted to make this three way more complex... make it so that White/Moxley/Swerve could win immediately by beating the opponent they didn't beat, but if they pin the opponent they already beat, the match continues and that wrestler is eliminated In other words.. Scenario A: Moxley pins White, he wins, match over Scenario B: Swerve pins White, White is eliminated and it's Swerve/Moxley to finish off Just to add some strategy as opposed to having it be a three way schmozz. But it'll likely be a three way schmozz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matt D said: If you want to patent triple threat basketball games with a triangle court and three baskets, there might be money in this. I believe three sided futbol games have been done before. Edited December 22, 2023 by odessasteps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 there was a 3 way baseball match done once for charity during World War 2, with teams playing 6 innings out of 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, tbarrie said: The problem with elimination three-ways is that it could never possibly work in a real sport. Though how big a problem that is for pro wrestling is debatable, of course. There is real-sport precedent for three-way ties that has made its way into pro wrestling. The 1997 AJPW Champion's Carnival finished with a three-way tie between Misawa, Kawada and Kobashi in a one-block tournament and I'm pretty sure they ran the finals under sumo wrestling playoff rules. Quote The choices, "East", "West" and "O" are selected. The east and the west battle first, while the "O" is a reserve. The winner of the first match will face the reserve. If the winner of the original match also wins this match he takes the championship. If the reserve wins then he faces off against the loser of the first match. Overall first rikishi with two consecutive wins takes the championship. Of course this broke in a very non-sumo way where Misawa and Kobashi drew and Kawada beat the both of them afterwards. But the G1, CC, etc. operate on a lot of sumo-derived ceremony, save for occasional and current World Cup dalliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryArchieGus Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: It's so far unproven if Coach Tony is really capable of pulling a Heyman though, right? All the former stars that have shown up are known top guys that didn't need that fresh coat of paint, unless there's someone I'm missing. Serena? 2 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: there might be a difference between a Heyman "new coat of paint" sort of thing and Rick Rubin "just let them do what they do best instead of doing something else" approach Exactly! Credit is fully deserved for giving a platform to mishandled talent such as 'The Revival'. Both Claudio and Samoa Joe also come to mind. How does Swerve Strickland compare to Swerve Scott? Or Roddy or Mike Bennett - I rate both Roddy and the Kingdom's ROHAEW run very favorably. Honorable mention to Daddy Magic. I've never seen this 'Neville'. Upon her release I don't remember a whole lotta ppl talking about how Ember Moon could be one of the top ladies in 2023. Even somebody like Christian - would he be even half as entertaining reading WWE scripts? I'm not so sure, that is to say there's no fucking way, Danielson accumulates a catalog of captavating bouts on par with his AEW run if he stays put in 2021. For about half a year to a year Cody Rhodes seemed to fit the success of the Rubin approach. Edited December 22, 2023 by HarryArchieGus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Cobra Commander said: at the risk of overthinking it... an idea for this three way (or any three way in a three way tie in the future) White beat Moxley in 15 minutes (15:09) Moxley beat Swerve in 16 minutes (16:23) Swerve beat White in 15 minutes (15:27) White wrestled for 30:36, Moxley for 31:32, and Swerve for 31:50. Therefore, the match starts with Moxley and Swerve and White has to wait a minute before getting involved. Which would coincidentally give a little tiny advantage to the clear heel of those 3. Now if you wanted to make this three way more complex... make it so that White/Moxley/Swerve could win immediately by beating the opponent they didn't beat, but if they pin the opponent they already beat, the match continues and that wrestler is eliminated In other words.. Scenario A: Moxley pins White, he wins, match over Scenario B: Swerve pins White, White is eliminated and it's Swerve/Moxley to finish off Just to add some strategy as opposed to having it be a three way schmozz. But it'll likely be a three way schmozz. STOP GIVING TONY IDEAS 28 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said: I've never seen this 'Neville'. I never see him either... Anyway, if you're gonna do that three-court basketball thing, I want more than just three balls in play. I want SIX. Or NINE! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryArchieGus Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 hours ago, tbarrie said: The problem with elimination three-ways is that it could never possibly work in a real sport. Though how big a problem that is for pro wrestling is debatable, of course. Is it really debatable? Curious who out there prefers Triple Threat or First Pin rules to Elimination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 I'd prefer where if you go DQ'd you'd be eliminated instead of ever three way being anything goes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryArchieGus Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, zendragon said: I'd prefer where if you go DQ'd you'd be eliminated instead of ever three way being anything goes I wouldn't mind a DQ at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 21 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: STOP GIVING TONY IDEAS if given enough monetary backing, I am ready to book a failed wrestling promotion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 I think that even people with more than one child on here would be hard pressed to turn that opportunity down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 hours ago, odessasteps said: I believe three sided futbol games have been done before. Matches were actually streamed on ESPN+ awhile back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said: I wouldn't mind a DQ at all. They do have pretty decent ice cream. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietShooter Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Matt D said: If you want to patent triple threat basketball games with a triangle court and three baskets, there might be money in this. Not basketball, but soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietShooter Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) On 12/21/2023 at 7:00 AM, Shartnado said: I have no idea about where will Roddy eventually land in this whole thing, but it still seems like The Kingdom are honestly worried about his neck health and not just playing their part in a ruse. However, The Kingdom would definitely have their eyes on the ROH tag titles, right? Without delving into Fantasy Booking, I really like the idea that if Cole is the Devil (or at minimum is turning on MJF), that the turn will a betrayal of Roddy, too. Cole is using him as a ruse. That way after the turn we have Devil & four ninjas vs MJF, Roddy, Kingdom & Joe. Edited December 23, 2023 by SovietShooter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Matt D said: If you want to patent triple threat basketball games with a triangle court and three baskets, there might be money in this. I’ve had plans for something like this in my brain for years, maybe I need to make this happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: He's already got a contract with WWC in Puerto Rico starting next year. Danny Garcia as replacement for Omega would be great but if he's already wrestling Brody King you better bet he ain't doing double duty. Garcia/Brody is on Collision tomorrow, the Golden Jets tag would've been next Saturday at Worlds End if that happened 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Okay, gotcha. I was thinking about that myself but just hit send anyway Rocky Romero feels like the definition of "a good hand" who just doesn't have anything interesting. A lot like Chavo Jr. in that respect. Him stealing the damn Eddie dance doesn't help (and I thought he was gonna do the Three Amigos for a second there too). So, this was definitely a show -- until that main event. Holy Lucha, Batman. If their match on Final Battle was a gonzo exaggeration of everything they could do, this was the slimmed-down and measured version of their dance, a dance which has so many different and beautiful steps to it that looks like no other. I think the only botch was when Vikingo unintentionally got powerbombed on his head but they STILL made that look intentional. Just a flat-out awesome match. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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