Craig H Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Getting beat by a superior team shouldn't be all that frustrating. They played hard. I think it's the team he plays on and thinking back to when people hyped him so hard, questioning who was better, Melo or LBJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake ooooooooooooooooooooon meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, Take on me, Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee oooooooooooooooooooon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The Heat's defense has been awful many times this season. Not sure if it's effort or scheme, but it's probably a bit of both. It use to be their signature, and now it might be a weakness. They still can do their "clamp down defense with 4 minutes to go" schtick, but it doesn't always work and sometimes they have given the other team too much confidence by then for it to be effective. Also this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrieg Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Getting beat by a superior team shouldn't be all that frustrating. They played hard even after Indy jumped out to the big lead. The frustration is the consistent pattern of Warriors games. Get outplayed in the first half, getting little to no production from the second time, coming back and playing strong in the second half which ultimately results in losing by a small margin. The thing with the Warriors is that being down by 20 points is never an insurmountable deficit, so I never feel like we're out of the game which just makes it that much worse when we keep losing games that we could have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Edit: Found the video. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 GIANT CARMELO GIF I never thought I'd feel bad for Carmelo, but dude clearly wants to kill himself. If they can't get him to commit, they need to start entertaining offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Someone on RealGM posted the Heat's advanced splits vs good and bad teams and it was shocking. Against great/elite teams they're playing as the best in the league and against average/bad teams they're in the 20's. i realized they coast against teams like Charlotte or NYK but I didn't realize it was to that extent. Against shitty teams they'll only try for the 1st and half of the 4th (if it's close). They're like a high school student who isn't being challenged and they fuck off day to day until something important comes up. As a fan its frustrating as hell but I'd rather them save themselves for the playoffs given how much wear and tear and games they've had since the team formed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 That was the most predictable thing going into this season. 2 time defending champs seem to always coast the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 That and they play in the shit tier East. That's one of the cool points about the "fuck conferences" talk, if only the 16 best teams could get into the play offs none of that "let's coast and chill" would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Soooo who here thinks Durant over LBJ for MVP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredoE Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Right now, I think Durant's probably going to get a ton of consideration given the point totals he's putting up and OKC hasn't been getting the "they're struggling" storyline that the Heat are at the moment. Not to mention Westbrook's out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Plus you have to figure voter fatigue might be setting in on Lebron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 LeBron's coasting this year pretty blatantly in my opinion in a weak conference whereas Durant is dominating in a stacked conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 LeBron's coasting this year pretty blatantly in my opinion in a weak conference whereas Durant is dominating in a stacked conference. Yeesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 LeBron's coasting year is anyone else's career year. That said, Durant at this point gets my vote for MVP. Assuming the Heat turn it on at the end of the season though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredoE Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I don't think Lebron's coasting. His team is and its pretty common with teams after winning the ring. I think we have a 12 year streak of this sort of thing happening with teams after winning the NBA title. That said, thru 42 games, last year's Heat team at this point was 29-13, this year 30-12. East was shitty last season too. Then they had that insane run of wins to finish out the season. I still think Durant's odds are better for MVP this year for the reasons I mentioned previously, but I wouldn't count out Lebron winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Lebron 26-7-7 58% from the field. He's MVP, especially since he is the only guy on his team that has to play every night for them to have a chance. Westbrook's injury hurts, but has not been that big of a hit since Jackson, Ibaka, have stepped up nicely. The Miami Heat are not even close to a good team without LeBron. Their second best player only plays part time, their third best player only shows up part time, and there is not a 4th best player, there is just everyone else. If Wade needs to sit, LeBron picks up his scoring slack. If Bosh is on his period decides that he just isn't feeling it today, LeBron has to go get some more rebounds. They don't really have a point guard, that's OK, LeBron will run the point. A guard is on fire and scoring at will, LeBron will go over there and guard them. Someone is destroying them in the post, LeBron will go down there and bang with them. We need a big basket, LeBron will either make it or get it to someone who will. The two-time defending champs go only as far as LeBron will take them, and no one else is more valuable than him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The Pelicans are redesigning Pierre to make him 'less scary.' We need a change.org petition to stop this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 LeBron is the NBA version of a sherpa. He guides his team to the Finals, makes sure no gets lost on their way to the airport, that Bosh has time to do his photobombing, that Chalmers doesn't take too many shots, that Birdman and Beasley aren't smoking weed or trolling the internet for college girls, that Spoelstra doesn't collapse into a quivering heap. On top of being the best player in the league. The only coasting LeBron knows about is the soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 That said, thru 42 games, last year's Heat team at this point was 29-13, this year 30-12. East was shitty last season too. That's a little misleading. Let's look at the East last year vs. this year: Using this website, shrpsports.com/nba/stand.php, here are the standings this time last year in the East: Miami - 26-12, 0.684 New York - 25-14, 0.641 Indiana - 26-16, 0.619 Brooklyn - 25-16, 0.610 Chicago - 24-16, 0.600 Atlanta - 23-18, 0.561 Milwaukee - 22-18, 0.550 Boston - 20-21, 0.488 Philadelphia - 17-25, 0.405 Detroit - 16-25, 0.390 Toronto - 15-26, 0.366 Orlando - 14-27, 0.341 Cleveland - 11-32, 0.256 Charlotte - 10-31, 0.244 Washington - 9-30, 0.231 Here's this year: Indiana - 33-7, 0.825 Miami - 30-12, 0.714 Atlanta - 21-19, 0.525 Toronto - 20-20, 0.500 Washington - 20-20, 0.500 Chicago - 20-20, 0.500 Brooklyn - 18-22, 0.450 Charlotte - 18-25, 0.419 Detroit - 17-24, 0.415 Cleveland - 15-26, 0.366 New York - 15-26, 0.366 Boston - 14-29, 0.326 Philadelphia - 13-28, 0.317 Orlando - 11-31, 0.262 Milwaukee - 7-33, 0.175 So last year, we had seven teams above .500. This year, we have six, yet three of those six are right at .500. Last year had five teams above .600. This year, there are two. And the total East record? This year: 272-332, .450. Last year: 283-327, .464. .14 doesn't seem like that much of a difference, but if we remove the top two teams from last year and this year, this gives you a better idea of the conference: Last year bottom 13, 232-301, .435, This year bottom 13, 209-313, .400. .35 difference. Plus, I never, ever heard any panic talk of the East conference last year and it's pretty much accepted that the East this year (at least in the first half) is the worst it's been in a long time. So with a weaker conference, Miami through 42 games is able to squeak out one more win than last year. Yeah... And as for coasting, the only thing Lebron is better at this year is his Field Goal and Free Throw percentages, by 1.5 and .8 respectively. His rebounds, steals, blocks, and assists are down and his turnovers are up. His PER is down by 2.7 and is lower than the year before and is his second lowest in seven years. Sure, his "coasting" season is most player's dream season, but that doesn't hide that Lebron is not playing at the level he has been and Durant is better than him this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Washington has 20 wins? ...the fuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 What? Milwaukee has 7, so the Wiz obviously stole some of their wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 LeBron is ridiculously conscious of his shooting percentage. The 58% is a fake number. There are games where he should be trying to take over because nobody else has it and he sits on his hands. That's what he does. I have no problem with someone saying he is the MVP.. but the shooting % is a throwaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredoE Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 That said, thru 42 games, last year's Heat team at this point was 29-13, this year 30-12. East was shitty last season too. That's a little misleading. Let's look at the East last year vs. this year: Using this website, shrpsports.com/nba/stand.php, here are the standings this time last year in the East: Miami - 26-12, 0.684 New York - 25-14, 0.641 Indiana - 26-16, 0.619 Brooklyn - 25-16, 0.610 Chicago - 24-16, 0.600 Atlanta - 23-18, 0.561 Milwaukee - 22-18, 0.550 Boston - 20-21, 0.488 Philadelphia - 17-25, 0.405 Detroit - 16-25, 0.390 Toronto - 15-26, 0.366 Orlando - 14-27, 0.341 Cleveland - 11-32, 0.256 Charlotte - 10-31, 0.244 Washington - 9-30, 0.231 Here's this year: Indiana - 33-7, 0.825 Miami - 30-12, 0.714 Atlanta - 21-19, 0.525 Toronto - 20-20, 0.500 Washington - 20-20, 0.500 Chicago - 20-20, 0.500 Brooklyn - 18-22, 0.450 Charlotte - 18-25, 0.419 Detroit - 17-24, 0.415 Cleveland - 15-26, 0.366 New York - 15-26, 0.366 Boston - 14-29, 0.326 Philadelphia - 13-28, 0.317 Orlando - 11-31, 0.262 Milwaukee - 7-33, 0.175 So last year, we had seven teams above .500. This year, we have six, yet three of those six are right at .500. Last year had five teams above .600. This year, there are two. And the total East record? This year: 272-332, .450. Last year: 283-327, .464. .14 doesn't seem like that much of a difference, but if we remove the top two teams from last year and this year, this gives you a better idea of the conference: Last year bottom 13, 232-301, .435, This year bottom 13, 209-313, .400. .35 difference. Plus, I never, ever heard any panic talk of the East conference last year and it's pretty much accepted that the East this year (at least in the first half) is the worst it's been in a long time. So with a weaker conference, Miami through 42 games is able to squeak out one more win than last year. Yeah... And as for coasting, the only thing Lebron is better at this year is his Field Goal and Free Throw percentages, by 1.5 and .8 respectively. His rebounds, steals, blocks, and assists are down and his turnovers are up. His PER is down by 2.7 and is lower than the year before and is his second lowest in seven years. Sure, his "coasting" season is most player's dream season, but that doesn't hide that Lebron is not playing at the level he has been and Durant is better than him this year. Like I said, last year the East sucked and it sucks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Sure, his "coasting" season is most player's dream season, but that doesn't hide that Lebron is not playing at the level he has been and Durant is better than him this year. LeBron will meet all his career averages by the end of the season, but he's not playing to his usual level. And if 58% is a false number, then call the dude fake as he racks up numbers. Sorry, I don't buy it. If you think Durant is better, fine, but let's stop pretending that LeBron has become some scrub. Honestly, the dude could post Wilt numbers and some of you would be chirping about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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