EVA Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 It wasn't the whole fleet, just "the best ships." Let's save our Greyjoy disappointment for Euron not having blue lips, a goddamn EYE PATCH, and a big ass horn that kills whoever blows it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Well I was trying to avoid my displeasure at Sansa having yet another bout of plot induced stupidity by believing Littlefinger and pretty much going to get Brienne and Pod got. And the likelyhood that Arya fucks up again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Is not killing a seemingly decent person fucking up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Yeah. I'd like to think Arya's story is bigger than being a cog in this one cult and I'm hoping she outgrows it soon or finds it to be morally stifling. She's more useful as a vengeful psychopath who believes in her own twisted code than as a devoted acolyte of someone elses. I think Arya has learned all she needs from the faceless and it's time she learned a thing or two about twisted codes from the best folk in the world. Theater folk! Although it was ominous when he said "One way or another a new face will be added to the wall." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 1 hour ago, odessasteps said: Halfway through the season and where is McShane? This times x100. I loved the episode apart from the fucking dog shit Kingsmoot, I'm legit mad at this, I might even copy paste the speeches from the books like I did with those Doran's amazing quotes™. Dog. Shit. Even after watching the episode twice now I still don't get every detail of what actually happened during the Great Hodoring. Bran wargs into Wyllis in the past, thus being able to command Hodor in the future? Is that what happened? Or was Hodor conscious during the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipGofern Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Hodor's eyes weren't warged out when he was holding the door so I don't think he was being controlled. He was following Meera's instructions, not Bran's. Which makes the sacrifice more noble since it's choice, not being forced on him. What seems to have happened is Warg Bran in the past somehow merged Kid Hodor with present Hodor and that ended up frying Kid Hodor's brain back in the day. Which I can identify with since Travel storylines make my head hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I think the idea was that Bran accidentally merged past and future Hodor's minds, so that teen Hodor experienced his own death... which sort of left him in a semi-brain dead state for the rest of his life. Or he was somehow aware all of his life since that point that at some point he had to hold the door for Bran, and he was always waiting for that to happen, even before Bran was born. The Kingsmoot in the show was terrible. Euron had nothing to show, there was no reason for anyone to vote for him. If he'd had the treasure like in the books, it would have made sense... or if Yara had made Asha's plea for the throne with the pinecones and rocks and doing the "It's shite being Ironborn, we're colonised by wankers" speech. But no. On the other hand, I was watching CBG19's episode review and she used the term 'heel turn' in discussing future Daenerys storylines. Never knew she knew Wrestling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, AxB said: I think the idea was that Bran accidentally merged past and future Hodor's minds, so that teen Hodor experienced his own death... which sort of left him in a semi-brain dead state for the rest of his life. Or he was somehow aware all of his life since that point that at some point he had to hold the door for Bran, and he was always waiting for that to happen, even before Bran was born. The Kingsmoot in the show was terrible. Euron had nothing to show, there was no reason for anyone to vote for him. If he'd had the treasure like in the books, it would have made sense... or if Yara had made Asha's plea for the throne with the pinecones and rocks and doing the "It's shite being Ironborn, we're colonised by wankers" speech. But no. On the other hand, I was watching CNG19's episode review and she used the term 'heel turn' in discussing future Daenerys storylines. Never knew she knew Wrestling. I don't know the books but the show seems intent on making the Ironborn into keystone cops so the idea that the only argument that worked on them is "I HAVE A COCK AN' THEY DINT!" seems to fit in with that. It would be nice if we see Yara do some serious badass stuff to underscore the point they are maybe trying to make but you know...the worst always win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I guess I had the whole Bran/Hodor thing right then. BTW how much better would have it been if we had Bran and 3 Eyed Raven scenes last season instead of whatever the fuck Dorne was. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Hey Marcos, what's the Portuguese for "Hold the Door"? And did the dubbed version sound terrible because there's no real way to get to Hodor from that? The French is "Tenir La Porte", which probably makes the French dubbers wish they'd known to call him Tenpo from the start. The German is "Halt die Tur" which actually works disappointingly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 2 hours ago, piranesi said: Yeah. I'd like to think Arya's story is bigger than being a cog in this one cult and I'm hoping she outgrows it soon or finds it to be morally stifling. She's more useful as a vengeful psychopath who believes in her own twisted code than as a devoted acolyte of someone elses. Yeah. The Faceless Men used to seem to be kinda cool and different; but now they come off as just Unlikable Religious Cult #14 on a show which has been stuffed full of those. And hey, in retrospect, if Jaqen H'ghar is such a goddamn superhuman who can accomplish seemingly anything, why the hell did he spend an entire season and a half as a prisoner? Especially since he could have walked right out of Harrenhal at any time, he was teleporting all over that goddamn place like Jason Voorhees around Crystal Lake. And something was bugging me with the Bran/Hodor brainmelting, and I finally realized what it is: it's the exact thing that happened with the dad from Stephen King's Firestarter. In that story, the father had an ability where he could mindfuck someone into doing whatever; but if he wasn't careful and laid the power on too thick, then it would drive that person insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Yeah, Arya needs to get moving. Screw the faceless men. I did love the shitty version of Ned's beheading. The best part being that Arya had pretty much the same vantage point for Ned's actual beheading as she did for the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I still don't see how they can wrap all this up by season 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I'm hoping Lady Crane corrupts her and teaches her something, maybe how to work her way into people's trust or something or turns out to be some sort of master thief or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipGofern Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 8 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: I still don't see how they can wrap all this up by season 8. Once the MegaPowers of the Dothraki and the Unsullied get to King's Landing, I have a feeling dominos are going to fall very quickly. At some point, I think we're going to have the Targaeryns in the south vs the White Walkers in the north with the Starks of Winterfell being the thing that shifts the balance like the great war before it. Which reminds me, the Ironborne are a bunch of dopes but I do like that Euron actually has a plausible plan that ties in with one of our main stories (unlike, say, Dorne, which was a big waste of time). He wants his fleet of 1,000 ships to ferry Dany to victory. That's actually a better idea than whatever noncommittal nonsense Yara was proposing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Raziel403 said: So, Euron wins the Kingsmoot, yet Yara has the loyalty of the entire Iron Fleet, so much so that they all leave without question with her at its command? And somehow with the whole fleet leaving, there are enough men to build and man 1000 ships? Do D&D even think about this shit anymore, or do they just write what seems cool? Yeah, like why even run if you have that many people just kill Euron and take control. It's a scope problem more than a specific story line problem, but this was by far the worst example of it. You either get the huge CGI army or like 12 people are standing around. They should spend more money on extras to sort of even things out. The Greyjoy stuff would have worked so much better if we saw Yara arriving with all of her people/more people were at the Kingsmoot. Edit: I agree with the person above me that Euron's plan was a solid idea (even though Dany will probably just burn him and take his ships). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 David Benioff wrote Troy and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. IMHO he's not that good of a writer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bink_winkleman Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Benioff and Weiss are super bush league and not talented enough to handle this story without the books. I'm convinced that the Hodor bit played out so well because Martin was extremely clear as to what was going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 by the way, whatever is in the water for these red priestesses toss some over here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 49 minutes ago, bink_winkleman said: Benioff and Weiss are super bush league and not talented enough to handle this story without the books. I'm convinced that the Hodor bit played out so well because Martin was extremely clear as to what was going to happen. I don't know enough about their background but this has been a very well written show from the start. Maybe most of the credit is to Martin but even so there's still things in this season such as the theater segment that are so creative and awesome I don't think I can call them "bad writers" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I think they deserve a huge amount of credit just for successfully pitching the show. I can remember seeing the trailer and being 100% all in even though I had never heard of the books and didn't know anything about the unique tone of the show. It could easily have died in those meetings as too nerdy, too long-winded, too obscure, too meathead, too complicated, but they somehow convinced HBO to not just go in but go all in. I don't even remember why I was so into the trailer. It's almost impossible to go back and remember what I expected pre-Ned-heading or even pre-Bran-pushing but something about it just screamed that it was going to be amazing and I'm not really a sword/sorcery guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 2 hours ago, TheVileOne said: David Benioff wrote Troy and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. IMHO he's not that good of a writer. You sack of wine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 8 hours ago, AxB said: Hey Marcos, what's the Portuguese for "Hold the Door"? And did the dubbed version sound terrible because there's no real way to get to Hodor from that? The French is "Tenir La Porte", which probably makes the French dubbers wish they'd known to call him Tenpo from the start. The German is "Halt die Tur" which actually works disappointingly well. Fortunately TV shows/movies are never dubbed in Portugal (well kids stuff is), so the subtitles just read "Segura a porta" "Segura porta" "Hodor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt D Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Will say this: I'm as engaged with the show and the world as I've been in years. I never read book 5 (after having read Book 4 right when it came out in 2004) and while I watch the show, it hasn't been religious in a few years. The strange notion of having a lot of stuff happen after two years of wheels spinning and providing answers to questions and theories and things we didn't even think to ask, is working for me. Characters are finally coming into their own. The distance from the books helps. I don't really give a damn anymore so when something like the Kingsmoot or Dorne is disappointing relative to the books, I just sort of roll with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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