RIPPA Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 DALTON CASTLE vs. Rockstar Spud http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3tfutd_dalton-castle-ryusuke-taguchi-vs-matt-sydal-jushin-liger-2-19-16_sport w/ Ryusuke Taguchi vs. Matt Sydal/Jushin Liger KATSUYORI SHIBATA http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3s2257_katsuyori-shibata-c-vs-tomohiro-ishii-2-11-2016-niigata_sport vs. Tomohiro Ishii http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xqdp8_katsuyori-shibata-vs-kazushi-sakuraba-in-new-japan-on-7-5-15_sport vs. Kazushi Sakuraba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'll have to take my time for this match up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I love me some Dalton Castle but Shibata is just so damn good. I gotta go with him this year. Hopefully Castle gets more opportunities in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I find it hard to vote against Dalton Castle. Dude is just lovable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Dalton Castle is one of the few things not named reDRagon that has me following RoH, but Shibata is on a whole other level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zheroen Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Being lovable earns one a vote over someone routinely having the best matches on NJPW cards in an era that rivals their peak success of the early to mid 1990s? I can't honestly believe that anyone voting for Castle has seen Shibata vs. Ishii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Sandwich Carl Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I voted Castle because he just fills me with joy even though Shibata is probably better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Being lovable earns one a vote over someone routinely having the best matches on NJPW cards in an era that rivals their peak success of the early to mid 1990s? I can't honestly believe that anyone voting for Castle has seen Shibata vs. Ishii. This is March Madness, right? So since it's not a GWE poll where we're just looking at work, having an emotional connection to someone is going to push that person over the edge for me. It's more important for me to care about my wrestlers to an extent than to recognize them as mechanically great, at least in this tournament where it's kinda a "vote based on whatever criteria you want" thing. I have seen Shibata/Ishii simply because, while I don't watch tons of New Japan, I watch the major shows and matches that get pimped, and it is great, but I just really love me some Dalton Castle. I'm not saying that it's the right viewpoint, but it's the one I'll take when I don't see an outright winner immediately. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zheroen Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Being lovable earns one a vote over someone routinely having the best matches on NJPW cards in an era that rivals their peak success of the early to mid 1990s? I can't honestly believe that anyone voting for Castle has seen Shibata vs. Ishii. This is March Madness, right? So since it's not a GWE poll where we're just looking at work, having an emotional connection to someone is going to push that person over the edge for me. It's more important for me to care about my wrestlers to an extent than to recognize them as mechanically great, at least in this tournament where it's kinda a "do what I have seen Shibata/Ishii simply because, while I don't watch tons of New Japan, I watch the major shows and matches that get pimped, and it is great, but I just really love me some Dalton Castle. I'm not saying that it's the right viewpoint, but it's the one I'll take when I don't see an outright winner immediately. Fair enough, I can respect that. I still stand by my point that having seen Shibata vs. Ishii from WK10 should basically be a prerequisite for voting on this one. Exposing just that match to some friends and co-workers has resulted in people hitting me up asking when the next big NJPW show is and whether or not I'll be watching it live/having people over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Being lovable earns one a vote over someone routinely having the best matches on NJPW cards in an era that rivals their peak success of the early to mid 1990s? What the hell are you even talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Ray Von Erich Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I voted Shibata because those Ishii matches scare me. You have to be a special blend of tough and stupid to work that stiff, and I like my pro wrestlers to be tough and stupid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concrete Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Being lovable earns one a vote over someone routinely having the best matches on NJPW cards in an era that rivals their peak success of the early to mid 1990s? I can't honestly believe that anyone voting for Castle has seen Shibata vs. Ishii. This is March Madness, right? So since it's not a GWE poll where we're just looking at work, having an emotional connection to someone is going to push that person over the edge for me. It's more important for me to care about my wrestlers to an extent than to recognize them as mechanically great, at least in this tournament where it's kinda a "do what I have seen Shibata/Ishii simply because, while I don't watch tons of New Japan, I watch the major shows and matches that get pimped, and it is great, but I just really love me some Dalton Castle. I'm not saying that it's the right viewpoint, but it's the one I'll take when I don't see an outright winner immediately. Fair enough, I can respect that. I still stand by my point that having seen Shibata vs. Ishii from WK10 should basically be a prerequisite for voting on this one. Exposing just that match to some friends and co-workers has resulted in people hitting me up asking when the next big NJPW show is and whether or not I'll be watching it live/having people over. I'll ignore that match so Shibata has a chance against Castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Sandwich Carl Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Being lovable earns one a vote over someone routinely having the best matches on NJPW cards in an era that rivals their peak success of the early to mid 1990s? I can't honestly believe that anyone voting for Castle has seen Shibata vs. Ishii. Since I was guilty of this, I'll answer, too. When someone I trust tells me to watch a Shibata match, I do and I'm usually pleased by it. I seek out Dalton Castle matches on my own. On my Roku there's a channel with just some random dirt indies. On one of them, Dalton's boys wrestled in a tiny storefront as heels and I got super pumped. When ancillary characters get me excited, then I must really like a wrestler. I know that seems arbitrary, but it's the best I can offer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I know that seems arbitrary, but it's the best I can offer. This is like, the whole thing boiled down to it's essence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I've enjoyed what little of Shibata's work I've seen, but Castle is one of my favorite acts going right now. Dude just gets pro wrestling and how to be a character, plus he's highly underrated in terms of actual matwork ability. I hope he has a big year and has more chances to showcase his skills rather than just his character work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Dalton is a great wrestler, he's got a great gimmick and knows how to work, but his matches have never reached the level of what Shibata's been doing this year. DC needs at least one really stand out match to be in contention and I don't think he has it. I think he will by next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think I've finally nailed down in my head what annoys me about Shibata. I think his main strength is his air of legitimacy where he comes off as being real due to the nature of his style and how hard he is hitting and all that jaz. But you know what isn't legit? Letting the other mother f'er hit you as hard as possible as you stand there! No legit MMA fighter is going to do that nonsense and Shibata is good for three of those an outing. At least when Castle does something out there, its protected by his entire presentation of being that character. Shibata breaks his own immersion with the dopey exchanges and thats why I'm not voting for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 He's not trying to win an mma fight for crying out loud. He's trying to show he's tougher than his opponent and outwill him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 This was razor thin for me but the shit with Ishii slightly edges out the great character work from Castle. I wish this had happened in later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 For some reason this thread made me forget that I forgot to lobby for Cheeseburger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSC Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Being lovable earns one a vote over someone routinely having the best matches on NJPW cards in an era that rivals their peak success of the early to mid 1990s? I can't honestly believe that anyone voting for Castle has seen Shibata vs. Ishii. Since I was guilty of this, I'll answer, too. When someone I trust tells me to watch a Shibata match, I do and I'm usually pleased by it. I seek out Dalton Castle matches on my own. On my Roku there's a channel with just some random dirt indies. On one of them, Dalton's boys wrestled in a tiny storefront as heels and I got super pumped. When ancillary characters get me excited, then I must really like a wrestler. I know that seems arbitrary, but it's the best I can offer. What Roku channel is this? That sounds like something that I need to be watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zheroen Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 https://channelstore.roku.com/details/49548/indie-wrestling-channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Between WWE Network, DailyMotion, and the Independent Wrestling Channel, you can see a lot of good wrestling (and a lot of stuff for this tournament) using a Roku. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 For some reason this thread made me forget that I forgot to lobby for Cheeseburger I actually was kinda shocked no one did in the nominations. It kinda made me realize that I don't think a lot of folks are watching ROH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I understand why Shibata's winning and rightfully so, but damnit I love Dalton Castle. Is he a better wrestler? No, but damn is he entertaining. I don't know what long-term plans they had with him when he was in that tournament, if any. But as soon as he lifted his cape the first time it was such a holy shit moment. I'm so glad he's around and I just love it everytime he's on TV. For a company known for largely super serious wrestling (or was known for it) he's by far one of the biggest stars around. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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