Zimbra Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Rudo Kyle Fletcher is by far the most I have enjoyed him. Having him take the time to talk trash to the crowd and tear the mask really helped his pacing. I am also very into Orange Cassidy's journey to leadership, although I'm afraid it's going to run through one or more of the conglomeration getting murked. 3
Ramo2653 Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Had they timed this up with Ishii's US visit he would have been the perfect candidate to get beat down and shipped away. As I'm watching BOTB, I am distracted by May's hands. Clearly she went a little too crazy with the spray tan or got lazy with the application. 1 1
Go2Sleep Posted October 20 Posted October 20 HOB getting announced for a Dynamite appearance must mean they're either breaking up or setting up a big staredown with BCC. Probably the latter with how easily BCC dispatched Top Flight and Dark Order. I could see Mox wanting to re-create that Shield/Wyatts moment, and now that I think about it, when you look at current BCC as Mox's vision of the Shield, it makes a lot of sense.
The Green Meanie Posted October 20 Posted October 20 I thoroughly enjoyed Mox & Company tonight. They're really making them look like the superstars they really are. Intriguing bit by Tony calling them "The Deathriders, or whatever they are...." will be interesting to see if that's the new name they're going to come up with. Something else I noticed - So far, Mox has only been attacking AEW Originals (minus Bryan). He's made several quotes about "this place", "burning the forest down", etc. Minus Yuta, all members are ex-WWE wrestlers. Is there a possible connection/angle there?
Ryback Hates Bullies Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Mox used the term 'land of opportunity', which I thought was a pretty clear reference to Shane McMahon. 1
JLowe Posted October 20 Posted October 20 13 hours ago, NikoBaltimore said: Nyla works not only for being a badass from day one but she also used to team with Shafir for a while. I'm hoping they get around to a female counter for Marina but Nyla is absolutely the right choice. I forgot that! Probably the best work Shafir has done. 1
SovietShooter Posted October 20 Posted October 20 10 hours ago, The Green Meanie said: Something else I noticed - So far, Mox has only been attacking AEW Originals (minus Bryan). He's made several quotes about "this place", "burning the forest down", etc. Minus Yuta, all members are ex-WWE wrestlers. Is there a possible connection/angle there? When Dark Order tried to make the save and caught the beat down, Mox got the mic and was making the second Trios title match. He very clearly and distinctly told Bryce that "you work for me", and to start the match.
JLowe Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Rampage was a good one! Forgot Aaron Solo existed, he still isn’t very good. Main event was great, but Private Party really need to ditch the Silly String if they can’t make it faster and more fluid. Right now, it requires a guy standing like an idiot for 5-8 seconds while it slowly materializes. They need to develop some kind of move that would theoretically have their opponent stunned on his feet, or at the least disoriented. 3
tbarrie Posted October 20 Posted October 20 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JLowe said: Main event was great, but Private Party really need to ditch the Silly String if they can’t make it faster and more fluid. Right now, it requires a guy standing like an idiot for 5-8 seconds while it slowly materializes. They need to develop some kind of move that would theoretically have their opponent stunned on his feet, or at the least disoriented. The opponent is supposed to be confused by the fact that a member of Private Party is slowly rolling around on top of them, and unsure how to react. Edited October 20 by tbarrie 1 4
HarryArchieGus Posted October 20 Posted October 20 (edited) 15 hours ago, NikoBaltimore said: Nyla works not only for being a badass from day one but she also used to team with Shafir for a while. I'm hoping they get around to a female counter for Marina but Nyla is absolutely the right choice. 2 hours ago, JLowe said: I forgot that! Probably the best work Shafir has done. I'm of the feeling that Marina Shafir's best work is right now. She doesn't possess great acumen for the intangibles of bell to bell pro wrestling. As a presence and striker she's great. There's no shame in being simply a bodyguard. I like Nyla, but I feel like they've kinda found a good role for her - mid-level enhancement. 1 hour ago, JLowe said: Main event was great, but Private Party really need to ditch the Silly String if they can’t make it faster and more fluid. Right now, it requires a guy standing like an idiot for 5-8 seconds while it slowly materializes. They need to develop some kind of move that would theoretically have their opponent stunned on his feet, or at the least disoriented. The Silly string to start, yeah. Seems like they have a few spots they should (badly) refresh. Zay would also benefit from dropping that weak looking flurry of punches thing he sometimes does. Their presentation has improved passed Halloween Basketball costumes, but they still look more clown-ish than they ought to. I love the natural chemistry that comes along with this Daniel Garcia partnership. Edited October 20 by HarryArchieGus 1
HarryArchieGus Posted October 20 Posted October 20 (edited) This was a solid Collision. The Mox/BCC promo was excellent (as per usual). This was one of a few promos setting up things on the show at hand. Mic work pre and/or post match helps in making the show feel important. Jake Roberts narrating LFI videos is an absolutely brilliant move! AR Fox v Ricochet was every bit as fantastic as I imagined. Both are supreme athletes. The Ricochet promo post match was fine if wholly cliche speak. I like to think he'll find himself more comfortable improvising with a mic as he moves along. Stat v Harley was a solid showcase. Statlander feels so lost. She had just started to show some long needed character as a heel, and now back to milquetoast babyface. Nonetheless, I root for her finding a way out. Her in ring is still impressive. Harley is a special performer. Garcia/Privates v Athletes was pretty solid. If we need Sterling's crew to lose on every Collision I wonder if they could do away with their entrances. OC squash was an odd addition. Oh poor Bears, you were once filled with such promise. And it seems they'll never let you tour Japan and become much better. The Hayter squash was nice and decisive. Jamie's heating up! I liked the Penelope Ford promo. A lot of cliche-speak to be sure, but this is a nice start, I don't remember her getting much mic time first go-around. Garcia/OC segment was interesting, but I'm not sure I'm with the Daniel Garcia character looking outside himself for a leader. Kyle Fletcher v Atlantis Jr was excellent. Really dug both this and the Brian Cage match from Atlantis this week. He has nice offense (especially his head first tope), and bumps around like a champion. Fletcher is really stepping up. The House of Black squash was strong. These guys are stars. Wednesday, huh? Yeah, let's get them in something meaningful. The inclusion of Darby-Brody Wrestledream highlights pre-match was simple but significant. 'You gotta follow up on stuff' - maybe somebody in creative is starting to take note. Rush/Beast v Outrunners was great fun minus the awful officiating. I'm with this decision for LFI to go over, but I'm hoping the Outrunners bounce back strong. I like seeing Rush starting to get his hands dirty. He and Dax had some awesome exchanges in a mult-man tag recently, so I'm stoked for these two teams butting heads. The Sammy Video challenging Benjamin was good. Another good opponent for Benjamin beautifully murder. BCC v Top Flight was what it needed to be. Good showcase for the unstoppable heels. I loved the choice to full on rage into BCC v Dark Order. I'm not sure I like Mox suggesting Bryce works for him, but loved him showing up for all the shenanigans. It added a lot to this segment and the show. Okada v O'Reilly was excellent. Okada matches only need to flirt with 4th gear. I'm completely on board with the mostly methodical pace. O'Reilly looked really good in defeat here. He's been very steady. I'd like to see him find a regular tag partner in a duo worthy of pushing. Cage/Archer squash was interesting. I'd be into this duo, but knowing their roles I sense this is a heat up and lose the big one situation. Kingdon/Mortos promo was not-funny-nonsense. I'm with the story, but better comedy writing or improv is needed if we need to go that route. Mariah v Anna was absollutely terrific. Mariah is a goddamn ring general. I like the decision to give Jay the win here. This was one of the better BOTB shows. On a proper weekend B show scale this episode ranked terribly well. AEDubbya, I graciously accept! Edited October 20 by HarryArchieGus 4
Ramo2653 Posted October 20 Posted October 20 That LFI/Outrunners match was kinda clunky at points but still fun. Mariah is so great at striking and making her stuff look impactful. I figured Okada and Kyle would put on a banger and they did. 2
Greggulator Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Shelton needs a heel title run. He’s always been great when he’s had TV time. But surly 49-year-old Shelton looking to wreck everyone to show he still has it is money. Deserves way more than to be Bobby Lashley’s heel buddy. 6
Octopus Posted October 21 Posted October 21 I like the idea of Shelton having an old man grumpy Jumbo run 4
The Natural Posted October 21 Posted October 21 17 hours ago, StretchMediatedHypertrophy said: Mox used the term 'land of opportunity', which I thought was a pretty clear reference to Shane McMahon. AEW Underground! 1 1
just drew Posted October 21 Posted October 21 9 hours ago, The Natural said: AEW Underground! Listen, the format wasn't the issue. I think there were elements of that segment that would really work. 4
Just Adam Bay Bay Posted October 21 Posted October 21 10 hours ago, The Natural said: AEW Underground! Don’t wish that evil on us. That’s barely a step up from the Brawl For All. 2 3
AxB Posted October 21 Posted October 21 RAW Underground was just "GCW Bloodsport but make it shit". And it got over so badly that, when WWE eventually got some buzz from letting Charlie Dempsey and Shayna Baszler do actual GCW Bloodsport, then then tried to do the same format in NXT... and made it shit again. If the appeal is "Pro Wrestling, but with all of the Sports Entertainment bollocks taken out, just a pure fight", WWE just cannot conceive of that. Like there has to be distractions and table spots and the ref missing the call. It's like if someone ordered a Coffee Black no Sugar, and WWE then served them a Black Coffee with no sugar, but added gratuitous whipped cream and caramel sprinkles. 6
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted October 21 Posted October 21 57 minutes ago, AxB said: RAW Underground was just "GCW Bloodsport but make it shit". And it got over so badly that, when WWE eventually got some buzz from letting Charlie Dempsey and Shayna Baszler do actual GCW Bloodsport, then then tried to do the same format in NXT... and made it shit again. If the appeal is "Pro Wrestling, but with all of the Sports Entertainment bollocks taken out, just a pure fight", WWE just cannot conceive of that. Like there has to be distractions and table spots and the ref missing the call. It's like if someone ordered a Coffee Black no Sugar, and WWE then served them a Black Coffee with no sugar, but added gratuitous whipped cream and caramel sprinkles. Hardly anyone can do shootstyle in the United States right, and considering a lot of the audience simply could not care less, I'm not sure why they should try. It would take a significant reeducation process to get folks to buy into the style, and it would require the promotion as a whole to be in that style instead of just a sub-niche on the same show as other matches. There's nothing wrong with a variety of styles, but it's such a tonal shift to go from dueling Canadian Destroyers in one match to grappling and striking on the same card that you'd have to pace it without losing a chunk of the audience. It'd be like an action movie suddenly having a French period drama for a scene and expecting it to fit. It would take a [demented] genius to pull that off. 2
Log Posted October 21 Posted October 21 32 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: Hardly anyone can do shootstyle in the United States right, and considering a lot of the audience simply could not care less, I'm not sure why they should try. It would take a significant reeducation process to get folks to buy into the style, and it would require the promotion as a whole to be in that style instead of just a sub-niche on the same show as other matches. There's nothing wrong with a variety of styles, but it's such a tonal shift to go from dueling Canadian Destroyers in one match to grappling and striking on the same card that you'd have to pace it without losing a chunk of the audience. It'd be like an action movie suddenly having a French period drama for a scene and expecting it to fit. It would take a [demented] genius to pull that off. Paradigm Pro would attempt this. Hell, they even had a shootstyle match that would turn into a deathmatch if there wasn't a winner within a certain time period. I think someone brought them up on here recently. In a vacuum, they had some great stuff. A lot like Bloodsport. The issue with both is that it's hard to watch them in the greater scheme of pro wrestling. You have matches ending on a KO from a backdrop driver in the shootstyle matches, but then guys trading them and getting right up for fighting spirit spots in other wrestling matches. It's hard to compartmentalize that.
Technico Support Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Log said: Paradigm Pro would attempt this. Hell, they even had a shootstyle match that would turn into a deathmatch if there wasn't a winner within a certain time period. I think someone brought them up on here recently. In a vacuum, they had some great stuff. A lot like Bloodsport. The issue with both is that it's hard to watch them in the greater scheme of pro wrestling. You have matches ending on a KO from a backdrop driver in the shootstyle matches, but then guys trading them and getting right up for fighting spirit spots in other wrestling matches. It's hard to compartmentalize that. That was me, and I was about to mention Paradigm again! Here's a copy of their adaptation of UWFI rules and some matches as well. I used to watch them when they were on IWTV -- they are on Triller now. I can't remember if they ever did UWFI and regular rules on the same show. I know they'd hold the Heavy Hitters Tournament, which was all UWFI rules, and they'd also hold a tournament called Terminal Combat, which is where, as you mentioned, matches were held under UWFI rules at first but, if the match went to a draw, would restart in "overtime" with deathmatch rules. But yeah, it's easy to turn off your brain and enjoy the ridiculousness when it's a small indy and you're seeking it out/knowing what you're getting. Harder to do when it's a big promotion and you're telling a more mainstream audience that a dude can win via KO with a suplex when they just saw 12 suplexes a few matches ago. Edited October 21 by Technico Support 2
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted October 21 Posted October 21 2 hours ago, Log said: Paradigm Pro would attempt this. Hell, they even had a shootstyle match that would turn into a deathmatch if there wasn't a winner within a certain time period. Wow. Wow wow wow. My brain can't compute that whatsoever. 1
JLowe Posted October 21 Posted October 21 3 hours ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: Hardly anyone can do shootstyle in the United States right, and considering a lot of the audience simply could not care less, I'm not sure why they should try. It would take a significant reeducation process to get folks to buy into the style, and it would require the promotion as a whole to be in that style instead of just a sub-niche on the same show as other matches. There's nothing wrong with a variety of styles, but it's such a tonal shift to go from dueling Canadian Destroyers in one match to grappling and striking on the same card that you'd have to pace it without losing a chunk of the audience. It'd be like an action movie suddenly having a French period drama for a scene and expecting it to fit. It would take a [demented] genius to pull that off. Kind of the DEAN~! card although I don’t remember any Canadian Destroyers.
Technico Support Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: Wow. Wow wow wow. My brain can't compute that whatsoever. Here's one of those matches. It's amazing, as this ominous siren goes off to signify the transition into overtime. They really missed an opportunity by not transitioning into Natural Born Killaz and playing it on loop for the whole period, though. Edited October 21 by Technico Support 1
COLETTI Posted October 21 Posted October 21 I just caught up with two weeks of television, and what I remember most is how great Queen Aminata looked in her match with Moné, and that stellar submission she busted out. 5
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