AEW TV - 10/16 - 10/22/2024 - Found Out About Yuta

[Zakk_Sabbath]

39 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

@Dolfan in NYC god dammit.  Now that song gets stuck in my head every time I read the thread title.  I think "Hey Jealousy" was better, though.  Man, you're just getting my Gen X ass all nostalgic for the mid 90s.

Thank you for circling back to this, because I gave Dolfan the troph for the same reason earlier in the week and forgot to explain!

With that said: I'm an "older millennial" (prob ~5 years younger than you, ballparking) and while those two songs are must-haves, I've always been a staunch "Til I Hear It From You" guy.

Do we have a Gin-erational divide on our hands?

[COLETTI]

Huge bummer of a story behind who wrote "Hey Jealousy," "Found Out..." and more of their songs, if you ever wanna go down that little rabbit hole. 

Edited October 18 by COLETTI

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

56 minutes ago, COLETTI said:

Huge bummer of a story behind who wrote "Hey Jealousy," "Found Out..." and more of their songs, if you ever wanna go down that little rabbit hole. 

It's covered in their episode of 60 Songs That Explain the 90s, if I remember correctly.

[Zakk_Sabbath]

56 minutes ago, COLETTI said:

Huge bummer of a story behind who wrote "Hey Jealousy," "Found Out..." and more of their songs, if you ever wanna go down that little rabbit hole. 

Welp, I think i'm gonna leave work and lie down for a while, grab me for Rampage I guess

[Shartnado]

On 10/16/2024 at 7:32 PM, tbarrie said:

I think that would work if we didn't already have Pac abandoning the BCC during Blood & Guts last year (or was it two years ago?). But given that history, I would think the BCC would need a somewhat stronger motivation than that to let him in.

They weren't bad enough for him at the time (albeit definitely starting to get there). Now they have become total bastards and PAC feels right at home. Also, BCC must recognize the talent and the supremely abrasive attitude that PAC possesses and needed a legitimate replacement for Bryan, who went soft. PAC at best of times has never gone soft, the surly rat bastard he is.

Edited October 18 by Shartnado
BCC needs PAC atm

[Shartnado]

14 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If I had a body like Pac, I'd wear as little as possible, too. 

Actually...

Just kidding, I do wear clothes.

[twiztor]

On 10/17/2024 at 12:43 AM, Go2Sleep said:

The nu-BBC stuff was pretty good, but it kind of overshadowed everything else on the show. Even though there was a lot of good work, everything else felt too low-stakes. The Elite tie-in was a step in the right direction.

Mercedes/Aminata was a good match and felt more "vintage Mercedes" than most of her AEW work so far.

Shelton/Lio was great as expected. Lio is really underappreciated for the way he plays up the size difference in most of his matches. He makes everything close quarters look like a struggle, is athletic enough to do lots of cool-looking quick-strike offense that looks credible, and of course, bumps as well as anyone in the non-Darby division. Shelton hasn't lost a step and his superkick is the new sheriff in town. Shelton/Swerve should be a banger before Lashley wrecks shit.

This BOTB might be the most afterthought one yet, and that's a high bar. First mention is a 2-second plug at the very end of the show announcing a non-title match lol.

i cannot express clearly enough how much Battle of the Belts is a complete and utter failure. I agree that this is the worst one. There was a short blip during one of the commercials where it was announced as an afterthought. The May/Jay match announcement was also meaningless. With one of the big complaints about AEW being about how many belts are in play, how do you not thow on an AEW Trios defense, or a ROH Women's defense? And that's BARE MINIMUM. What's that you say? There IS a trios title defense that night? Oh great. What? It's NOT on BOTB? WHAT A SPECTACULAR WASTE OF A TV SPECIAL

re: Shelton Benjamin, his match with Lio Rush might be the greatest match ever. Hear me out before you hand out pitchforks. I haven't seen a Benjamin match in probably 12+ years. I had ZERO interest in seeing him in AEW ("just another guy from WWE that is at the end of his career"). I also knew that Lio would obviously lose and that this would be a showcase for Benjamin, which means i'm only half watching. By the mid point of the match, i was engaged and actually watching the match. By the time it was over, i couldn't wait to see Benjamin and was dreaming of AEW opponents for him. 

On 10/17/2024 at 9:21 AM, NoFistsJustFlips said:

Kip Sabian really made Hangman look like a fool. It was hard to catch but they had two Spear spots planned. Sabian was supposed to hop on the apron during the second one but was way early and jumped up on the first one. Hangman was sent out because his spot timing was based on Sabian's run in. So that's why he laid on the ground like an idiot for 10 minutes lol.

while it was definitely mistiming, i think it still worked in kayfabe.... Hangman was about to interfere, but the referee was about to turn around and catch him, so he decided to bide his time and wait for the perfect moment. Not perfect, but the end result worked out OK. 

[Technico Support]

Battle of the Belts is supposed to be a modern analogue to Clash of the Champions.  Problem is, Clashes were special because regular TV was pretty much all squashes.  Nowadays, every weekly show is a Clash.  There’s honestly no reason for it.

[SovietShooter]

42 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

Problem is, Clashes were special because regular TV was pretty much all squashes.  Nowadays, every weekly show is a Clash.

I think if you didn't have Collision, and you only had a PPV every-other-month, a BOTB as a live Saturday night "PPV caliber" event could work out. But all it really is, is a 2hr Rampage, or 3hr Collision.

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

My big takeaway is that the show featured 3 strong heel factions, MVP is building a 4th one and the face side is pretty thin.  I wonder if they're going to try and do the Sting angle with Darby.  I've advocated for him eventually becoming champion for a long time but they've got some work to do to get him there.  Maybe it's just me but he doesn't feel as over as he was a couple years ago (I still think he's great) and I was feeling better about him becoming champ when I thought he'd be the one to beat MJF.  Feels like Swerve should be the one to beat Mox when he eventually goes after the belt again but that could be a long way away

I have zero interest in MJF and Cole at this point being as I didn't like it the first time.  I actually skipped this whole segment but it's hilarious that they just blew off the Undisputed Kingdom.  I've been enjoying the story with UK and Mortos that's been running on Collision.  Roderick Strong on commentary has been a lowkey highlight lately, I didn't need Cole ruining that

Jay and Jay have really good chemistry despite being so similar stylistically, enjoyed that match.  Mone and Aminata also worked well together.  And as always more Lio Rush please

[Zimbra]

7 hours ago, Shartnado said:

They weren't bad enough for him at the time (albeit definitely starting to get there). Now they have become total bastards and PAC feels right at home. Also, BCC must recognize the talent and the supremely abrasive attitude that PAC possesses and needed a legitimate replacement for Bryan, who went soft. PAC at best of times has never gone soft, the surly rat bastard he is.

It's a bummer they never blew off Claudio/Pac because it was the perfect setup to a character-based feud: Ring general Claudio tries to tell Pac what to do and nobody tells the bastard what to do so he fucks off, costing BCC blood and guts. THEN Claudio injures him the next week, putting him on the shelf for a long time. Pac should have come back trying to kill Claudio, not teaming with him.

[tbarrie]

Hey, Aaron Solo still exists.

I briefly wondered where he'd been until I realized I didn't care.

[The Green Meanie]

On 10/16/2024 at 10:25 AM, Technico Support said:

Non kayfabe: Death Triangle was going to win the Trios belts at Wembley but then the Lucha Bros decided to leave.

Kayfabe: no idea

This. As I pointed out earlier, none of this (including, possibly, the fight between Mox and Bryan) happens if Death Triangle doesn't go by the wayside.
 

On 10/16/2024 at 10:32 AM, Dolfan in NYC said:

"I'm a bad person, and these are other bad people I knew from a few years ago in NXT. Let's go be bad together." 

This doesn't have to be rocket science. 

That would work if the average AEW fan is a fan of NXT. I know it exists, but I only watched seasons 1-3 of the initial series. That might be relying on folks to go back further then they can (if they're even aware)

 

On 10/16/2024 at 11:32 AM, tbarrie said:

I think that would work if we didn't already have Pac abandoning the BCC during Blood & Guts last year (or was it two years ago?). But given that history, I would think the BCC would need a somewhat stronger motivation than that to let him in.

EXACTLY this. Someone mentioned that part of Claudio's motivation is Bryan forgiving Eddie after all these years despite Claudio's warnings, which makes sense story-wise for Claudio, but Pac's still has a huge hole in it.

[JLowe]

On 10/16/2024 at 10:16 PM, Casey said:

alright, I guess I’m back to being all in on AEW. That was a good fuckin’ show. And I don’t hate the Mox stuff near as much now. I’m gonna need to see some heels come together with the faces to fight the BCC though.

Am I misremembering or did Justin Roberts say this mf was like 260lbs????

Same, I watched last night with a little bit of a buzz and I’m thinking this is Tony Khan trying to do the NWO angle properly. Incorporating Private Party makes sense when you inject Stokely and his line about “everyone says Isiah is the future singles star” (it’s me, I’ve been part of everyone). Drawing on the deep history of OC and Yuta is great. I wouldn’t be surprised if the BCC (or whatever the name is) adds Hangman as a wild card, and they finally finish the Dark Order storyline.

One problem is Shafir. If you are going to have her beating on guys, they need to be able to fight back, and I don’t know how crowds and network bigwigs will react. So you add in a couple of AEW women, but who do you have? Baker is the obvious answer, but also an obvious problem. Nyla is another, but can they move her from being the Kane of the women’s division to being a monster enforcer?

The other part I remember to the show was Mone-Aminata was probably Mone’s best match. She really put Aminata over. That said, I’m not sure they’ll ever be able to have her as a true heel with crowds. A start might be getting rid of the song, give her something that’s not a crowd singalong.

[JLowe]

Also, they need to have Garcia absolutely destroy Perry for the TNT title. Not a stretcher job, just a total squash. Have Private Party and others ringside to prevent interference. Or have Mox/Claudio/Pac jump Bucks and Okada. Something like that. 

[JLowe]

On 10/17/2024 at 9:42 AM, Matt D said:

So... where I am is that there's still room to course correct but the first half of the show wasn't it. The mood was off. I imagine that every version of Mox (real and kayfabe) is going to be pissed about this and we'll see how they handle it going into next week.

They absolutely should’ve had Mox come out and merc Cole.

[Go2Sleep]

I'm really looking forward to the 3-way tag they set up for Rampage next week (Kingdom/STP/GOA). Three solid low-card teams that could all use a win and would all honestly be good to get a push freshen up the top of the tag scene. The latter two moreso, as I think Taven and Bennett have more value as a trio with Roddy as the leader, but they're all pretty fun when they get time. Also a rare AEW non-ppv match where it's impossible to pick the winner.

More matches like this and less JTTS to stuff please.

[SovietShooter]

42 minutes ago, JLowe said:

So you add in a couple of AEW women, but who do you have? Baker is the obvious answer, but also an obvious problem.

Willow. 

Willow is the female Ricky Steamboat.

[JLowe]

5 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

Willow. 

Willow is the female Ricky Steamboat.

That’s a great call as long as you aren’t being a stickler for being there since day 1 (which I’m not)

[HarryArchieGus]

I thought this was a terrific Dynamite. The Cole promo to open was strong. Cole established what was needed whilst sifting thru the storyline-weeds. The MJF non-appearance was dumb. AEW should make a point of never pretending somebody is there that isn't. Key ppl are always not going to be there. In this case, Ospreay wasn't there. Not a quailty product sell for the paying live audience. The Jericho promo had my mind wandering to him working exclusively on Honorclub. Trying to make it a thing. I liked Briscoe-Jericho I, and am game for another. Mone v Aminata and FTR v Bill/Keith were both exactly what I was hoping they would be. Keith/Bill in one TV loss were far better than the entirety of the Bill/Starks run. FTR really oughtta work more Wednesdays. I ffwd the Acclaimed promo until MVP showed up. Yes, heel this team or split them, please! Mercedes Mone has become criminally underrated. Aminata is clearly ready to be Pushed. The Private Party promo was a bit pathetic, but I'm curious where this is going. The Jack Perry promo was strong if a bit gross. KOR/OC/Rock v Bucks/Okada was swimming along nicely before the BCC anarchy. I loved the Elite heel work and all the BCC shenanigans throughout this episode. I like the choice to sit in the back of a pick-up truck. The Jon Moxley promo was another fantastic piece of business - rarely has score music worked so well in Pro Wrestling. The Elite/Daniel Garcia confrontation was very good as well. I like seeing pals Garcia and Zay working together. The Lio Rush v Shelton Benjamin match wasn't eactly what I was hoping it would be, but it may have been better than that. That's about as good of a single night/debut/rehab as you'll find. Thank you Lio Rush! I've always loved Benjamin, and am stoked to see him proving his detractors wrong. MVP continues to be a highlight on every show. So happy about this. The Swerve promo following was good and well placed. Stoked for Shelton v Swerve. The Callis Family promo was fun. I liked everything about Fletcher's heel presentation. This guy continues his well paced climb to the top. Curious to see the Archer-Cage team. Great heel work from Kyle. Here's hoping Takeshita gets an Orange style title run. Meaning lots of worthwhile matches and TV Time. The Mariah May promo was excellent as per usual. I also dug the Ricochet promo. He's sounding a lot better than he did with scripts on the other channel. Stoked for AR Fox v Ricochet on Collision! I gotta rewatch Jay White v Christian. I enjoyed it from the skim. I loved the balance of promos and Wrestling on this show. I also loved seeing them finally promote their live events with a separate advertisement. This was a thoroughly fun show with lots of dramatic and character progression. Right on AEdub! 

[HarryArchieGus]

Rampage Baby! As good as it looks on paper, Butcher v Briscoe was a treat. I liked the seamless transition to the strong O'Reilly v Solo TV showcase. Nice Jamie Hayter promo. I wanna see an immediate path of destruction that leads Hayter back to the top, and more A show TV time. I hope Ford can provide some good fodder. The Deonna/Taya promo was fine if a bit much. I think we're ready for some specific direction. Not sure 'ominous' is the right tone for these ladies. Jay v Adora was a strong showing from both. Always impressed with Adora and Jay. Both are coming along nicely. Mariah was a total pro on the mic and commentary. The Harley Cameron promo was her usual awesome. So many ladies coming along and rising kinda quickly. The Private Party v MxM main event was fun. MxM continue to outshine their opponents. Kinda looking forward to the Privates getting out of the (title picture) way of the emerging Models and, of course, the Outrunners amongst others. Mansoor is consistently so good, and Madden looks better every time out. Very good Rampage setting up what could be an interesting, if not really good, 3 hour Saturday block. 

6 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

Willow. 

Willow is the female Ricky Steamboat.

But already a far better promo. 

Edited October 19 by HarryArchieGus

[RazorbladeKiss87]

7 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

Willow. 

Willow is the female Ricky Steamboat.

And this type of feud will have at least one wild gimmick match which Willow excels at. 

[Technico Support]

8 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

Willow. 

Willow is the female Ricky Steamboat.

She sells for fans three towns over?

[Go2Sleep]

4 hours ago, JLowe said:

That’s a great call as long as you aren’t being a stickler for being there since day 1 (which I’m not)

Daniel Garcia is one of the leaders on the face side, and Pac's a Day 1 guy on the heel team, so I don't think that's a major dividing line.

[NikoBaltimore]

12 hours ago, JLowe said:

One problem is Shafir. If you are going to have her beating on guys, they need to be able to fight back, and I don’t know how crowds and network bigwigs will react. So you add in a couple of AEW women, but who do you have? Baker is the obvious answer, but also an obvious problem. Nyla is another, but can they move her from being the Kane of the women’s division to being a monster enforcer?

Nyla works not only for being a badass from day one but she also used to team with Shafir for a while. I'm hoping they get around to a female counter for Marina but Nyla is absolutely the right choice.