Matt D Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I thought it was a really good match too. It's hard in 2019 to execute a counter-war while having it feel both non-cooperative and still have some sort of flow and narrative and I really thought they hit those marks (destroyer notwithstanding but then I'm more forgiving than Brian in this very specific case). As a general thing, I'm more annoyed that Almas never hits a straight moonsault. That really misses the point of the move. That said, it was the double moonsault which took the crowd over the top and drew the "This is Awesome" chant even though the fans had to know it was coming, so you can only fault it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beech27 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 These things can all be true at once: -Andrade is among the best in the world at making modern hyperspeed choreography look combative. -Rey is one of the best ever. -Canadian Destroyers still can't be saved by their combined skill, to me. -This is one of the best matches I've seen this year. -That doesn't mean it's perfect or beyond criticism. The best matches deserve that degree of attention. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm a fan of the shortened Andrade. It has a nice ring to it by itself. Plus, it might be the only way he'd get pushed is having a sexy shortened name.so it's either "Cien" Almos or push. Zelina Vega added so much to that match for me. She's just so phenomenal with her reactions to everything. I watched the Total Divas episode with Naomi's wedding and it made me teary. I will always cheer for Naomi. I like this feud so far because it shows the strength of their marriage and not becoming a zany cheating/ jealous angle. Becky is cool. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Only SDLive Youtube video with over 1M views as of this post (at 1.4M): Closest at 724K is the Miz-Sheamus main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Sex sells. Sex will always sell. Meltzer said something I agree with. The Alexa thing was stupid but if that's what they want to do there is room for both. Alexa doing that doesn't take away from the women's revolution because the female wrestlers aren't involved in the attitude era junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 With the rumours of Charlotte/Becky to Raw, hopefully Alexa gets healthy soon and starts dominating the SmackDown title scene. Alexa as a surprise entrant and Rumble winner would be great. And even with Becky and Charlotte on SmackDown, they could use they extra heel starpower. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 That would be terrible. I'd be fine with Alexa never getting another title shot again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I get that you're playing devil's advocate here but nudity and sex will always garner attention. It's really a mute point. The problem is it goes against their ethos of not objectifying the female wrestlers, following what is a generational movement in female empowerment and equality and gravitating back to the turgid, decedent era that was the late 90s/00s is pivoting against all the good work that's been achieved over the past couple of years. Wedging back in edginess and sex exacerbates the progress. Whatever your politics is really irrelevant here. It's the blatant hypocrisy that will blow up in their face in the long run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rick said: I get that you're playing devil's advocate here but nudity and sex will always garner attention. It's really a mute point. But it's a point that needs repeating when people wonder why they do this stuff. It gets results. I'm beyond expecting better than hypocrisy from them. I'm not wading in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I do wonder if this is a testing of the waters in case Vince ends up feeling like he needs to take the nuclear option if competition really does materialize. After all, the only reason the original attitude era happened was WCW kicking his ass for over a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Clearly. It's why it's being phased back in due to falling ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'd imagine in our more enlightened times, that a new millennium Attitude Era would shed advertisers faster than the first go around did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Ruthless aggression era 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 It's all so desperate and indicative of the company that it's willing to suspend it's ethics on a dime to appease the network. I'm sure viewing figures rising due to the shake-up will be deemed internally a success. For the short term, installing policies that worked in anarchic times might seem a good idea. It will not be long before advertisers start noticing things. It's not sustainable in this climate. It's more proof to me that the current WWE brass are out of new ideas. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: I mean, I know wrestling is a work and cooperative, but that move in general, and especially the way they have been doing it, for me, just shatters any pretext I can possibly have about them actually fighting. Not that this really matters, but there were endless spots in that match that were just as a cooperative... I mean, it's cool you don't like it, but saying that specific spot shattered any pretext you possibly had about them actually fighting is a bit of a stretch unless you think you'll see people hitting hurancarana's in real fights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Meanie Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I know this won't be popular, but I wasn't a fan of the Andrade/Rey match. However, I'm not a fan of lucha-style wrestling, so that might be why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, Rick said: It's all so desperate and indicative of the company that it's willing to suspend it's ethics on a dime to appease the network. I'm sure viewing figures rising due to the shake-up will be deemed internally a success. For the short term, installing policies that worked in anarchic times might seem a good idea. It will not be long before advertisers start noticing things. It's not sustainable in this climate. It's more proof to me that the current WWE brass are out of new ideas. You talk about the current climate, but Tucker and Ingraham didn’t feel any real pain till they ventured deep into the heart of downtown crazytown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Rick said: I get that you're playing devil's advocate here but nudity and sex will always garner attention. It's really a mute point. I hate to be that guy, but somebody has to. It's a moot point. A mute point would look something like this. 4 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: I hate to be that guy, but somebody has to. It's a moot point. A mute point would look something like this. I laughed my ass off at this, far too loud and far too long. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, nate said: I laughed my ass off at this, far too loud and far too long. My work is complete. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 SmackDown and Raw were both excellent and both had super badass matches. They also both featured sex-fueled segments/bits. I see that someone with WWE has discovered the power of Scarlett Bordeaux being featured in YouTube thumbnails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Eivion said: That would be terrible. I'd be fine with Alexa never wrestling again. Fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Thanks@Nice Guy Eddie my cognitive functions aren't what they used to be. I blame it on all the cocaine I did in my twenties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 12 hours ago, Lawful Metal said: Re: name change Isn’t his real last name Andrade? Isn’t this doing him a favor if / when he leaves WWE? I’m in favor of Andrade “Cien” or Andrade “Tranquilo” like a Mirko Cro Cop or Cris Cyborg. Andrade “Cien” Almas was always too extra. I’d be in favor of Andrade El Idolo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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