supremebve Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, J.T. said: Because he loved her, dude. Love means never having to ask. Jaime is a simp. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) Cersei & Jaime were the inbred Romeo and Juliet of the show. Star-crossed lovers doomed to die in each other's arms. It would be sad and tragic if it wasn't an incestuous relationship and if being crushed by tons of falling rock wasn't proper penance for all of the nasty things they've done in their lives. If ever two people had it coming, it was Cersei and Jaime. Westeros is a better place for the deaths of all of the Lannisters save the Dwarf. Edited May 15, 2019 by J.T. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Not only did he not ask, he refused to take no for an answer. You know, when he raped her in the church, next to their father's corpse. But it's alright because she forgave him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, AxB said: Not only did he not ask, he refused to take no for an answer. You know, when he raped her in the church, next to their father's corpse. But it's alright because she forgave him. Because she loved him unconditionally. I never said that they weren't totally vile people that didn't deserve to die in the ruins of the kingdom that their family stole, but at least I get it that they both understood that they were the only two people in the world who could more than tolerate the other. If you can find a woman who puts up with at least 51% of your bullshit, put a ring on her finger. I have to salute Ser Jaime for being honest enough with himself to realize that he'd eventually ruin any relationship with Brienne because he was a hateful son of a bitch and then going back to King's Landing to die with Cersei, the woman he loved and the equally hateful asshole that poked the Mother of Dragons with a stick and got King's Landing reduced to a hill of ashes. Bravo, Queen Cersei. Way to rule. True to fashion, Cersei not only doomed herself, she brought disaster to everyone around her and unfortunately she didn't have Tywin there to be the voice of callous and calculating reason. Edited May 15, 2019 by J.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Jaime and Cersei's ending is the least satisfying part of this series so far for me. His entire redemption arc was based on him realizing that his honor is more important than his pride. Their story isn't a love story. Jaime legitimately loves her, but her "love" is just emotional manipulation. She is the only woman he's ever been with, while she cheats on him constantly. In the books when they think of each other, he thinks about her, she only thinks about the things he can do for her. He loves her, she loves power. The entire plot is a waste of time if he just decides his love for her is greater than his own life. His whole life improved when he stopped trying to be the man his family wants him to be, and be the man he wants to be. Distancing himself from Cersei is pretty much the #1 thing that helped him realize that he actually cares about his honor. What is the point of any of that if he just runs back to Cersei as soon as he finds a bit of peace? I could buy it if he thought it was his responsibility to end this whole saga with his blade. I could even buy it if he thought he loved her, went back and realized that she is the very personification of evil and let her die. I don't buy that he'd throw away what seems like a happy life just to die with her. That doesn't really fit the story that they're telling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Cersei hired someone to murder Jaime. I’d say her love was a *little* bit conditional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Oh shit I forgot that. He literally found out she hired some one to murder him before he decided to go to her. This show is incredible. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Especially when you consider the literal meaning of 'incredible'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Well one could argue that it does fit the story they're telling if you see them as returning to the roots of the early seasons of the show where the story was various variations of: 1) People will disappoint you 2) Because they are either weak or stupid or psychotic by nature 3) And yes, that means all of them 4) and yes, that means you 5) therefore don't believe in or hope for anything but a quick death 6) But because we are all weak or stupid or psychotic no one will listen to this advice 7) So we will all root for Dany or Jamie or Tyrion and end up miserable when they disappoint us too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 It's basically just Arya and the stupid wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 The moral of the story is this: If you spend your leisure time getting drunk and shagging prostitutes, you will be a witty, ingenious and responsible person. However, if you then switch to a life of sobriety and voluntary celibacy, you will lose both wit and wisdom in a heartbeat. Seriously, when was the last time Tyrion said something witty? Season six, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I thought when he made fun of Varys for not having testicles we were going to get that Tyrion back....then he hid in a basement like a punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Magnificent 7 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) The lengths people will go to to carry water for these showrunners on stuff like the Jamie / Cersei thing is crazy. The Halo legendary difficulty ending with the Elite alien and Sarge embracing while saying hold me as the ship blew up made more sense than this did. And one of those was played for laughs. Cersei is one of the biggest villains ever next to dudes like the government engineer who designed the new gas cans some years back. I would have been ok with it being unsatisfying from a just desserts perspective, meaning her dying alone / jumping off the building robbing viewers of justice, but the Jamie arc / comforting aspect was outlandish. Edited May 15, 2019 by The Magnificent 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) I’d say this last episode was a 3 season high point for Tyrion. He tried to make the best out of a bad situation and remained loyal to the one family member who has never let him down. The 15 shit decisions he made that got us to this point because D&D couldn’t figure a good way to have Dany in Westeros without immediately steamrolling everyone? Yeah, not great. To be fair, George is obviously struggling with that as well. I had zero problems with the Jaime/Cersei ending. It only rang false because of the speed in which he decided to go back to her after the Brienne stuff (and the very dumb Bronn subplot). Another thing that would have worked much better if those episodes weren’t back to back... Edited May 15, 2019 by Jrag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 hours ago, supremebve said: She is the only woman he's ever been with, while she cheats on him constantly. Did Jaime ever find out Cersei was fucking their cousin? I forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Magnificent 7 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) He had to realize at the moment of the exits collapsing that he sentenced his brother to death so he could tell a woman who tried to have him killed that it’s just us babe. Or maybe not. Can’t tell with this show. Edited May 15, 2019 by The Magnificent 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Tyrion was dead anyway. There is no conceivable scenario where letting Jaime go didn’t end with Dany executing him, even if it went perfectly according to plan. Just another Dumb Sentimental Tyrion move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I think pretty much everything makes sense but only when you are filling in some gaps that the writers left out to do this in 13 episodes instead of 20. That's why some of it is coming off as rushed because it is rushed. I still think it's pretty good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 5 hours ago, supremebve said: Jaime is a simp. She was also carrying their baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throat Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, L_W_P said: Not if you believe the "Tyrion in the Mad King's son" fan theory. The basic gist is that MK raped Tywin's wife which caused the initial rift in the relationship between MK and Tywin as Hand. In order to 'save face' Tywin lets the baby be born but then kills her so that the secret never gets out. He doesn't hate Tyrion for being a dwarf. He hates him for being a Tragaryen, he just can't let anyone know because it will ruin his family name. This is meant to be the dark side version of Jon Snow. I don't believe they'll reveal that so late in the game, or I at least hope they won't, but it's why I said probably flammable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 No, the theory is that the three heads of the Dragon all had mothers who died in childbirth. But the show didn't do the three heads of the Dragon prophecy, so never mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 9 hours ago, CreativeControl said: And thanks for playing along, it was a real treat Welcome to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Throat said: I don't believe they'll reveal that so late in the game, or I at least hope they won't, but it's why I said probably flammable. They definitely won't do that now but they did tease it earlier in the series when Tyrion went into the dungeons and the chained dragons didn't instantly roast him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, EVA said: Cersei hired someone to murder Jaime. I’d say her love was a *little* bit conditional. If she couldn't have him, nobody could. I said her love was unconditional. I never said that it wasn't the love of a woman who was batshit insane. Some of y'all can probably relate because you assholes know that you find the crazy sexy and you hate yourself for it. But you go back the cray cray babes EVERY CHANCE YOU GET~! Some of you dudes riffing on Jaime for running back to Cersei could probably stand to have a woman in your life that inspired you to do dumb stuff like that. Y'know, as long as it wasn't your sister and shit. My wifey makes me mad enough to punch a hole in the wall sometimes but in the summer if she suggests that it would be nice if I made dinner on the grill, the grocery list includes charcoal, lighter fluid, and mother fucking steaks, guys. Edited May 16, 2019 by J.T. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 I mean...people can also find a mate that doesn't drive them crazy... And doesn't inspire them to do dumb things, but to just be better in general.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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