MORELOCK Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I could go through the losses, but you get the point. Wrestling isn't about your win-loss record stats (and I don't think I brought that up specifically), it's about who, when, where and how. And this is why Kalisto is way above Ziggler in the pecking order just now. "He wins matches against people who aren't jobbers" is bringing up win-loss records specifically. And you can dispute those records if you really want to (again - they're from cagematch, not pulled entirely out of thin air like most of the arguments that you and stro have been rolling out). The "point" I am gleaning from this most recent post is that "Wins matter when Kalisto gets them, wins don't matter when Dolph gets them." I am sorry that the facts don't support your position. ETA: Also - checked shop.wwe.com - Kalisto doesn't have a shirt at all, unless you count the Lucha Dragons shirt, which is (surprise!) being sold at a deep discount. If he's that far above Dolph in the pecking order, shouldn't they give him, you know, like *one* shirt? Just one? Vs. Dolph's sixteen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Dolph is right where he should be. He's a good bumper, sometimes insane. He's somewhat over. But he doesn't have much personality and whenever he's given 15 minutes the match is okay at best. I don't remember too many Ziggler classics outside of maybe a couple matches back in the day with Daniel Bryan. You can't be a skinny dude with no personality who isn't a great in-ring performer and go much further than I.C. title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StretchMediatedHypertrophy Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I could go through the losses, but you get the point. Wrestling isn't about your win-loss record stats (and I don't think I brought that up specifically), it's about who, when, where and how. And this is why Kalisto is way above Ziggler in the pecking order just now. "He wins matches against people who aren't jobbers" is bringing up win-loss records specifically. It really isn't and if your understanding of words like 'specifically' are so off, there really isn't any point in continuing trying to communicate with you. Have a good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 "I don't like Dolph, and it prevents me from having a reasonable discussion" could have saved us all some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Using the last six months to judge where a guy they just started pushing a month ago is at level wise is very odd. Two months ago, Ziggler and Kalisto were at a similar place, Dolph maybe a touch higher. Right now (and lord knows it could stop Monday) they are pushing and elevating Kalisto, and today he's at least a level above Ziggler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 This thread is like having spiders hatch out of your dickhole. Just when you hope the excrutiating ordeal is over ... nope. More dickhead spiders. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeball Wizard Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 This thread is like having spiders hatch out of your dickhole. Just when you hope the excrutiating ordeal is over ... nope. More dickhead spiders. Yeah but how are the dickhole spiders punches? Just saying, maybe worth a discussion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 What is the Ziggler Bias line for the spiders, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 This thread is like having spiders hatch out of your dickhole. Just when you hope the excrutiating ordeal is over ... nope. More dickhead spiders.Yeah but how are the dickhole spiders punches? Just saying, maybe worth a discussion.... Not as good as their missile dropkicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 This thread is like having spiders hatch out of your dickhole. Just when you hope the excrutiating ordeal is over ... nope. More dickhead spiders.Yeah but how are the dickhole spiders punches? Just saying, maybe worth a discussion.... Not as good as their missile dropkicks. Missile dropkicks with eight legs have to hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turk128 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I've long thought that Ziggler could benefit from a year in Japan, in the Bullet Club for example, and that WWE can't engineer something like that makes me sad. That's the thing: they absolutely could if they wanted to. Maybe the bridge with NJPW is gone, but they could send someone to AJPW or one of the other groups with a half-decent touring schedule and let these guys get some seasoning, freshen up etc. He doesn't even need to go that far; I repeat, give him a stint in NXT. The miracle that they managed to do with Kidd in NXT still amazes me. If Ziggler can't benefit from that, he truly is a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Missile dropkicks with eight legs have to hurt. Definitely needs be kept protected as a finisher. It's like, 4 regular missile dropkicks all hitting you at the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Less talk about Dolph Ziggler's place and more talk about how WWE was apparently angry about a woman's backstage behavior so their solution was to have a huge star call her a whore on television. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I hope people can tell the difference between Lana and CJ Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 ABORT! ABORT! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I hope people can tell the difference between Lana and CJ Perry. It would be great if WWE could 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Less talk about Dolph Ziggler's place and more talk about how WWE was apparently angry about a woman's backstage behavior so their solution was to have a huge star call her a whore on television. This is stupid. As is the opinion that one person having sex with another person in the past makes that person a whore. It was a planned segment that obviously Lana and Rusev bought off on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Less talk about Dolph Ziggler's place and more talk about how WWE was apparently angry about a woman's backstage behavior so their solution was to have a huge star call her a whore on television. This is stupid. As is the opinion that one person having sex with another person in the past makes that person a whore. It was a planned segment that obviously Lana and Rusev bought off on. Are you just being contrarian to win some Internet Points? This wasn't Rock reminiscing about some lovely time they had together. Pro tip: whenever a pro wrestling storyline involves a woman fucking a dude, she's made out to be a slut, and this was no different. Your second point is utterly ridiculous, also. "Do this segment or get further in the doghouse" isn't really a choice. Edit: I just read about how this segment was punishment for Lana yelling at Rusev in an airport. Wow, this fucking company. Hopefully they'll straighten this out by have Steve Austin offer a Performance Center seminar on keeping your woman in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Again, calling Lana the character a whore on a scripted television show is not at all the same thing as calling CJ Perry a whore in real life. Allegedly punishing her by calling her character is weird, for sure, but if anyone watches that and thinks the real person behind the character is being called a whore (including those involved in the segment), then I have to assume they have similar thoughts when a character is called a whore on something like The Sopranos or Mad Men. Which is bizarre. This is all based on Meltzer conjecture, which was 400 words to say "Something might have been said somewhere maybe, but I don't know, but people are talking about it, maybe, I can't say for sure though." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Yes nobody in WWE has ever been booked negatively as punishment you're exactly right this is just like Mad Men 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCM Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Rock was just talking about doing some exercises you guys are reading too much into it. Seriously though just release Lana, and get it over with. Bring up Alexa Bliss the next week, and no one will miss Lana. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Alexa Bliss has maybe a thimbleful of Lana's presence or charisma, so I don't see the comparison. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Less talk about Dolph Ziggler's place and more talk about how WWE was apparently angry about a woman's backstage behavior so their solution was to have a huge star call her a whore on television. This is stupid. As is the opinion that one person having sex with another person in the past makes that person a whore. It was a planned segment that obviously Lana and Rusev bought off on. Are you just being contrarian to win some Internet Points? This wasn't Rock reminiscing about some lovely time they had together. Pro tip: whenever a pro wrestling storyline involves a woman fucking a dude, she's made out to be a slut, and this was no different. Your second point is utterly ridiculous, also. "Do this segment or get further in the doghouse" isn't really a choice. Edit: I just read about how this segment was punishment for Lana yelling at Rusev in an airport. Wow, this fucking company. Hopefully they'll straighten this out by have Steve Austin offer a Performance Center seminar on keeping your woman in line. Yeah, none of this is an actual thing. Not even remotely. The fact that you posted how you "just read about how the segment was punishment for Lana yelling at Rusev in an airport" and you automatically believe that shit tells me all I need to know about you. Where are we going next? Flat earth? We never went to the moon? You shouldn't just automatically believe a random person's bullshit speculation about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Lana was exposed in the Ziggler angle as being... not having a lot of range? She can do Drago's wife from Rocky IV and not much else. Summer Rae out performed her on every level and Summer has even less of a presence on the show than Lana does right now. What did Summer do to get punished guys? Bliss is way more interesting as the leader of BAMF which is an enhancement role on the developmental show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StretchMediatedHypertrophy Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 To me it was a bad (sub)segment, because Lana basically laughed off Rock's nonsense last time - this time she sold it and it compromises what's left of her character. She does lack range, and doesn't really belong with the current Rusev - who has turned out to be a glorious goofy midcarder bless him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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