Thomas Bugg Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 MLW had some ok matches, but I don't recall there being any particularly great ones. Parka vs. Sabu was pretty entertaining, though, come to think of it. I'll have to go back and watch that one. Last night I was watching the Corino-Funk barbed-wire match. It had all the elements that you could ask for- Corino being a dick, Funk being batshit crazy, hot crowd, both guys donating to the American Red Cross. Next I'll be checking out the War Games as I never got to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Come for Samoa Joe vs Mike Awesome, stay for um, Raven vs Nosawa and Vampiro vs CM Punk. Gah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I seem to remember the Joe-Awesome match sucking many, many dicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 That would be the gist of most opinions of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 This could just as easily go in what-if. If WCW hadn't bungled back-to-back Starrcades how much money was there to be made in a Goldberg/crow Sting main event at Starrcade '98 as WCW'S version of the WM VI Warrior/Hogan scrap? Now while it would've been rad to see Sting carry the title for a year while Goldberg's undefeated streak puffed up exponentially I'm imagining that shit went down pretty much the same. Basically Hogan has the title back in time to lose it to Goldberg on the very same July Nitro in Atlanta. Now obviously for this to mean anything Nick Patrick wouldn't have carried out his slow FAST count. So I really don't know how you transition the title back to Hogan because honestly there still wasn't a better WCW moment than Goldberg defeating Hogan clean as a sheet like Sting should have seven months earlier at Starrcade. Hall should've had a title reign at some point so maybe Hogan gets the belt back in some triple threat match. Furthermore DDP wins the belt off Hall and Hogan wins it back off him. Who knows? All I know is anything would've been better than most of the shit we got after Starrcade '97&'98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 This could just as easily go in what-if. If WCW hadn't bungled back-to-back Starrcades how much money was there to be made in a Goldberg/crow Sting main event at Starrcade '98 as WCW'S version of the WM VI Warrior/Hogan scrap? Now while it would've been rad to see Sting carry the title for a year while Goldberg's undefeated streak puffed up exponentially I'm imagining that shit went down pretty much the same. Basically Hogan has the title back in time to lose it to Goldberg on the very same July Nitro in Atlanta. Now obviously for this to mean anything Nick Patrick wouldn't have carried out his slow FAST count. So I really don't know how you transition the title back to Hogan because honestly there still wasn't a better WCW moment than Goldberg defeating Hogan clean as a sheet like Sting should have seven months earlier at Starrcade. Hall should've had a title reign at some point so maybe Hogan gets the belt back in some triple threat match. Furthermore DDP wins the belt off Hall and Hogan wins it back off him. Who knows? All I know is anything would've been better than most of the shit we got after Starrcade '97&'98. makes sense to me. Sting wins the belt (clean) at Starrcade '97. Hall won a #1 contendership at WW3, so he ends up winning the belt (with heavy interference from the nWo) when they fight. Sting feuds with whoever headed up the assault that cost him the belt. DDP was overdue for a top run, so a quick Hall-DDP program makes complete sense. botched nWo interference leads to "cracks in the foundation of the nWo" and whatever other catchphrases Tony used to love. DDP, the people's champ, now is the real champ and holds it a month or two. Hogan wins it back, again due to nWo interference. either the nWo showing signs of solidarity or Hogan's new splinter faction taking charge. Hogan-Goldberg happens as it does in this reality. Goldberg-Sting could've done good numbers. although i think i'd keep the strap on Goldberg and get another big buyrate out of the streak ending deal. no tazer this time tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Would you trust early 98 Scott Hall with the World Title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 If you're really optimistic, you could say that he might've focused himself towards bettering his career if he finally had a world title, rather than getting fucked up, run over and keying cars. But that's hard to say, I haven't really seen too many Hall shoots, so I don't know if belts really mattered to him like they do to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Would you trust early 98 Scott Hall with the World Title? I wouldn't trust early 98 Scott Hall with a World Almanac. In all seriousness, in an nWo that had Nash/Hogan/Savage (was the Giant still around?) Hall would never have found a place in the world title picture. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Giant was around till late '98 IIRC although they knew he was leaving well in advance so he got jobbed out for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Giant left the nWo in the beginning of 1997, rejoined the nWo in the spring of 1998 and was nWo until he left for the WWF in the beginning of 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 This could just as easily go in what-if. If WCW hadn't bungled back-to-back Starrcades how much money was there to be made in a Goldberg/crow Sting main event at Starrcade '98 as WCW'S version of the WM VI Warrior/Hogan scrap? Now while it would've been rad to see Sting carry the title for a year while Goldberg's undefeated streak puffed up exponentially I'm imagining that shit went down pretty much the same. Basically Hogan has the title back in time to lose it to Goldberg on the very same July Nitro in Atlanta. Now obviously for this to mean anything Nick Patrick wouldn't have carried out his slow FAST count. So I really don't know how you transition the title back to Hogan because honestly there still wasn't a better WCW moment than Goldberg defeating Hogan clean as a sheet like Sting should have seven months earlier at Starrcade. Hall should've had a title reign at some point so maybe Hogan gets the belt back in some triple threat match. Furthermore DDP wins the belt off Hall and Hogan wins it back off him. Who knows? All I know is anything would've been better than most of the shit we got after Starrcade '97&'98. makes sense to me. Sting wins the belt (clean) at Starrcade '97. Hall won a #1 contendership at WW3, so he ends up winning the belt (with heavy interference from the nWo) when they fight. Sting feuds with whoever headed up the assault that cost him the belt. DDP was overdue for a top run, so a quick Hall-DDP program makes complete sense. botched nWo interference leads to "cracks in the foundation of the nWo" and whatever other catchphrases Tony used to love. DDP, the people's champ, now is the real champ and holds it a month or two. Hogan wins it back, again due to nWo interference. either the nWo showing signs of solidarity or Hogan's new splinter faction taking charge. Hogan-Goldberg happens as it does in this reality. Goldberg-Sting could've done good numbers. although i think i'd keep the strap on Goldberg and get another big buyrate out of the streak ending deal. no tazer this time tho. Sting going into a match with Goldberg with a year long reign would've enhanced the draw of the match. A year long reign vs. the streak? One big thing is going to end. Just have Sting continue to brood in the rafters and come down and attack as needed. Now that he's the champion, he's the Dark Knight of WCW. No need to talk or explain, just swoop down, point the bat and strike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 This could just as easily go in what-if. If WCW hadn't bungled back-to-back Starrcades how much money was there to be made in a Goldberg/crow Sting main event at Starrcade '98 as WCW'S version of the WM VI Warrior/Hogan scrap? Now while it would've been rad to see Sting carry the title for a year while Goldberg's undefeated streak puffed up exponentially I'm imagining that shit went down pretty much the same. Basically Hogan has the title back in time to lose it to Goldberg on the very same July Nitro in Atlanta. Now obviously for this to mean anything Nick Patrick wouldn't have carried out his slow FAST count. So I really don't know how you transition the title back to Hogan because honestly there still wasn't a better WCW moment than Goldberg defeating Hogan clean as a sheet like Sting should have seven months earlier at Starrcade. Hall should've had a title reign at some point so maybe Hogan gets the belt back in some triple threat match. Furthermore DDP wins the belt off Hall and Hogan wins it back off him. Who knows? All I know is anything would've been better than most of the shit we got after Starrcade '97&'98. makes sense to me. Sting wins the belt (clean) at Starrcade '97. Hall won a #1 contendership at WW3, so he ends up winning the belt (with heavy interference from the nWo) when they fight. Sting feuds with whoever headed up the assault that cost him the belt. DDP was overdue for a top run, so a quick Hall-DDP program makes complete sense. botched nWo interference leads to "cracks in the foundation of the nWo" and whatever other catchphrases Tony used to love. DDP, the people's champ, now is the real champ and holds it a month or two. Hogan wins it back, again due to nWo interference. either the nWo showing signs of solidarity or Hogan's new splinter faction taking charge. Hogan-Goldberg happens as it does in this reality. Goldberg-Sting could've done good numbers. although i think i'd keep the strap on Goldberg and get another big buyrate out of the streak ending deal. no tazer this time tho. Sting going into a match with Goldberg with a year long reign would've enhanced the draw of the match. A year long reign vs. the streak? One big thing is going to end. Just have Sting continue to brood in the rafters and come down and attack as needed. Now that he's the champion, he's the Dark Knight of WCW. No need to talk or explain, just swoop down, point the bat and strike. I was always of the opinion that the Crow gimmick should have died at Starrcade. Just film a vague vigenette about him "forgiving" WCW, then have him come out in a crowish custom, with the surfer Sting outfit underneath. Then again, I always like Surfer Sting, and HATED Crow Sting. One of the problems(?) was the color scheme of black vs black on both Hogan and Sting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evidence Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 In 1990, I can understand not wanting to have Luger be pinned by Flair at the Wrestle War of Capital Combat PPVs, but was there any reason for protecting JYD at Clash Of The Champions XI? Even having Flair get the screwjob victory would have made him look a little better going into the Great American Bash against Sting (plus leaving out the beating he took from Sting as the show was going off air). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 If I had to guess, whoever was booking probably had it in for Flair (assuming it was either Ole or Dusty). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Ole was booking at the time as Dusty was in the WWF, and I think if anyone had it in for Flair it was Pizza Boy at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Herd really wanted to change Flair's gimmick to Spartacus/a gladiator? I always assumed it was a codename, like "Excalibur" for Jericho's debut. Was Farooq's initial gimmick a rib on Herd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Herd really wanted to change Flair's gimmick to Spartacus/a gladiator? I always assumed it was a codename, like "Excalibur" for Jericho's debut. Was Farooq's initial gimmick a rib on Herd? I don't think it was, I think it was just a bad idea by WWF bookers in 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 In 1990, I can understand not wanting to have Luger be pinned by Flair at the Wrestle War of Capital Combat PPVs, but was there any reason for protecting JYD at Clash Of The Champions XI? Even having Flair get the screwjob victory would have made him look a little better going into the Great American Bash against Sting (plus leaving out the beating he took from Sting as the show was going off air). Because they thought it was 1980 and not 1990. To make matters worse, Dog was pinning Flair in non-title matches all over the house shows at that time too (which made Luger look like an even bigger loser.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Sometimes I wish Flair had gone along with the Spartacus thing. "I am Spartacus! WOOOOOO!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 He wanted him to get an earring If Harrison Ford has taught me anything it's that really old dudes look fucking ridonkulous with earrings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Yeah but he was, what, like 40 at the time. Not nearly Harrison Ford territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Flair woud have bled for days after geting his ear pierced. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I find it amazing that Jim Herd gets so much heat. Dude was a genius. Pizza! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Given that the Iron Sheik was the first guy to win a major title with a gimmicked stage name, was he ever billed as anything else around that time? i.e "The Iron Sheik" Hossein Arab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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