Death From Above Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Is it really remotely surprising that an American network doesn't have a fucking clue how to use something popular in Canada? Fuck given US tv's track record it would have been immensely stunning for any other result to be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Gruden is still on TV, so TV is still awful by the way. He's actually getting worse over time, as I don't really remember him ever slurring his words this much. He's always talked gibberish but he's actually losing the ability to speak a language coherently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Those 90's SC's had a lot of jokes though. The point isn't that they weren't full of jokes, the point is that the jokes weren't just forced into every single highlight. Being able to do the 3 segments, 3 days, and 3 weeks without jokes is really good advice. That way if nothing funny comes up organically, they can still have a good show. Even sitcoms don't put a joke into every single moment, there has to be some downtime in order for the jokes to mean something. Have you ever tried to watch some of those old Sabu matches where he tries the triple jump plancha off the chair but fucks it up 4 times in a row? He'll put the chair down run, jump off of it and slips on the ropes. Then he'll adjust the chair and try again, but this time the chair is too far away. Then he moves it closer and still can't get it. Eventually he just stops trying to land on the rope and it looks like he trips over it. By the end of all of that no one gives a rat's ass. That is what happens when you spend all show forcing multiple bad jokes in, by the time you actually get one no one cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Those 90's SC's had a lot of jokes though. The point isn't that they weren't full of jokes, the point is that the jokes weren't just forced into every single highlight. Being able to do the 3 segments, 3 days, and 3 weeks without jokes is really good advice. That way if nothing funny comes up organically, they can still have a good show. Even sitcoms don't put a joke into every single moment, there has to be some downtime in order for the jokes to mean something. Have you ever tried to watch some of those old Sabu matches where he tries the triple jump plancha off the chair but fucks it up 4 times in a row? He'll put the chair down run, jump off of it and slips on the ropes. Then he'll adjust the chair and try again, but this time the chair is too far away. Then he moves it closer and still can't get it. Eventually he just stops trying to land on the rope and it looks like he trips over it. By the end of all of that no one gives a rat's ass. That is what happens when you spend all show forcing multiple bad jokes in, by the time you actually get one no one cares. Keith and Dan are light years better than virtually anyone doing the show today as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Have first take on with the sound off, and first of all, I liked the old Cold Pizza so much better(probably been more years ago than I remember it being), and just watching Skip's body language makes my head hurt. . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Crowd Goes Wild got a 0.1 overnight rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 What a fortunate few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 What Fox needed to do for that show was poach kellerman the last time his contract was up, and then wait for this show. Regis? Sorry does not say sports to me. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 The Big Show was not just jokes. Lots of pop culture refs. It was the sports equivalent of mst3k. Why, yes, i did write an academic conference paper about the use of metatext. /supernerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Have first take on with the sound off, and first of all, I liked the old Cold Pizza so much better(probably been more years ago than I remember it being), and just watching Skip's body language makes my head hurt. . . Cold Pizza was one of my favorite things ESPN has ever produced. The slow bastardization of it into what is now pisses me off beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I must find more internet sports radio beyond ESPN and CBS. Help me! If have to hear Cowherd crap on RGIII over his 'frivilous' sock collection again, I can not be held responsible for my actions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I must find more internet sports radio beyond ESPN and CBS. Help me! If have to hear Cowherd crap on RGIII over his 'frivilous' sock collection again, I can not be held responsible for my actions!Fan 590 in torontoTsn1050 in torontoBbc 5 liveTalksportA million sports podcasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I was hoping for something more American and prefer all-day radio at work over podcasts that occasionally drop some bad language. Thanks, though. I'm sure they're great, but not exactly tailored to my needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I dont think i listen to any regular american sports talk anymore, since i gave up on Lebatard's show a couple years ago. Theonly thing i would try and catch now is Richard Neer's saturday morning show on WFAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizium Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I will never stop loving these guys. I guess it's cool if they're not everyone's cup of tea...we are individuals after all. *eyeroll* Fox Sports Anchors Read Mean Tweets http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/fox-sports-anchors-read-mean-tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 jay mohr's show on fox isn't too bad. . . it would be 12-3 on the east coast, the rest of the network sucks dick though. . . .Never, ever liked PAt obrien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I dont think i listen to any regular american sports talk anymore, since i gave up on Lebatard's show a couple years ago. Why did you do that? It was Hochman leaving, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 My issue with Fox Sports Live was them trying to make absolutely everything funny. Comedy doesn't work that way, and sports broadcasts definitely don't work that way. It reminds me of a story from one of the SportsCenter anchors in the ESPN book. Olbermann talked him into doing a show with no jokes whatsoever, and move up from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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piranesi Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 My issue with Fox Sports Live was them trying to make absolutely everything funny. Comedy doesn't work that way, and sports broadcasts definitely don't work that way. It reminds me of a story from one of the SportsCenter anchors in the ESPN book. Olbermann talked him into doing a show with no jokes whatsoever, and move up from there. That sounds like jokes are the adverbs of sports anchoring. People sometimes say that when you're writing something, your first draft should have 0 adverbs. Then you can go through and add three. Awesomely, I've totally and freely avoided such an obviously insanely absurd idea myself and my writing is completely and totally perfect. Shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sports/league-of-denial/a-note-from-frontline-espn-and-league-of-denial/ Bristol pulls out of joint documentary with Frontline about NFL Concussions. Playmakers, part deux, anyone? New Republic on the story http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114439/why-espn-backed-out-concussions-investigation-frontline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Shockingly, the nfl leaned on espn http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/sports/football/nfl-pressure-said-to-prompt-espn-to-quit-film-project.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I will now give this show a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 http://youtu.be/JkRyj891J7E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Cross-posted from the wrestling thread. From Bill Simmons' mailbag Q: Did I just hear on your podcast that you were "never a fan of" Bret Hart? As a lifelong follower of the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be, I'd appreciate an explanation.—Dennis, PhiladelphiaSG: Let's see … no personality, no sense of humor, wet hair, horrible entrance music, hideous wrestling outfit (pink and black?), never tweaked his gimmick, didn't get along with Shawn Michaels, "carried" the WWE during its most boring stretch of the past 40 years, sold out for WCW money, remains memorable only because of (a) the Montreal Screwjob (and the fact that he punched Vince McMahon afterward), and ( his phenomenal Ewing Theory credentials (the WWE took off again right after he left). Just thought he was overrated.Quick tangent: In our aforementioned podcast last week, Wesley Morris mentioned his "market corrections" theory and how, sometimes, there can be only one "type" of successful lane for one actor (only with multiple actors vying for it). An example he liked: Mark Harmon never making it as a leading movie actor because Kevin Costner took all of those marquee roles that could have gone to Harmon from 1988 through 1995. Costner was Harmon's market-correction guy, the guy blocking Harmon from having a Costner-like career.Same for Tom Hanks and Michael Keaton — they battled for seven years for "funny/likable comic actor who dabbles in serious roles and will eventually become an A-lister" supremacy, with Keaton gaining an early A-list upper hand in 1989 thanks to the Batman movies. What happened to Hanks? Total tailspin! That was his Joe Versus the Volcano/Bonfire of the Vanities stretch — three years of forgettable movies. When Hanks rallied back in 1992 with A League of Their Own, then Sleepless in Seattle, Philadelphia (Oscar) and Forrest Gump (Oscar), what happened to Keaton? TAILSPIN! As Wesley says, there could be only one.Back to Bret Hart: His market-correction guy was "Mr. Perfect," Curt Hennig, another technically terrific wrestler who hit the WWE in the mid-1980s. I always loved the arrogant "Mr. Perfect" gimmick and thought Hennig was more interesting and entertaining than Hart, but Hart's extended wrestling family (brother Owen, brothers-in-law Jim Neidhart and British Bulldog) morphed into the Hart Foundation family, which stole good spots in every pay-per-view. With the Hitman leading the way, of course. So Hennig ended up being the Keaton to Hitman's Hanks — he never won the WWE title and eventually jumped to WCW. So not only did Bret Hart semi-bore the hell out of us in dozens of pay-per-views, he drove away his more entertaining market-correction guy. I don't hate him for it. Just can't call myself a Hitman fan. Wait, did we just spend four paragraphs on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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