June 2024 Wrestling Talk

[odessasteps]

I would not be surprised if there were wrestlers, especially women, who supplement their income by doing the modern equivalent. 

I would also presume there are workers who have softcore or hardcore wrestling for sites like Ultimate Surrender (safe browser and/or incognito mode recommended) 

[Cliff Hanger]

4 hours ago, WebConn89 said:

 

At some point I saw a clip where the guy said that it was a phrase he had invented that could be used in any situation to mean anything he wanted it to, which is surprisingly honest for a catchphrase comedian. Also, 2016 presidential candidate Herman Cain liked to say it a lot (along with his frequent quotes from a song in the first Pokémon movie.)

[Kevin Wilson]

1 hour ago, madl said:

Is apartment wrestling still a thing?  Stumbled across a Reddit thread about Thunder Rosa and some sort of apartment wrestling (the poster didn’t call it that) and there was a video linked in the thread to a clip of Thunder Rosa wrestling someone in an empty gym. Rosa was dressed in a tiny bikini that seemed to be defying gravity by staying up and the other woman wasn’t wearing much either.  I’ve never seen apartment wrestling before so I was mostly creeped out by how scummy it all seemed.  Indie wrestler still do this?  The comments mentioned Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch doing this spot of thing at some point in their careers (separately. Not together).

 

 

I hadn't seen that type of thing floating around in a couple years, I know Jordynne Grace used to do it. But later on they called it "custom wrestling" as people would pay a decent amount of money and get to choose the outfits, stipulations, etc. for the wrestlers, then they'd tape the match for the buyer and sell it on their site.  In theory it doesn't sound bad but many of the matches were structured to be... erotic/fetish leaning if nothing else so it always felt a little scummy to me personally. Seth Rollins did it also but I hadn't seen anything about Becky.

[Elsalvajeloco]

Nyla Rose and a few other women who went on to be prominent wrestlers did it as well. To odessa's point, I was going to chime in and say it probably wasn't supplementing your income as much as outweighing whatever money you were making at the time if you're working in the indies. Keep in mind, I am guessing a lot of that stuff was filmed before you had damn near every promotion featuring female talent. Not exactly a whole bunch of options at that point if you're in between getting booked. So no real judgment from me. 

56 minutes ago, Cliff Hanger said:

At some point I saw a clip where the guy said that it was a phrase he had invented that could be used in any situation to mean anything he wanted it to, which is surprisingly honest for a catchphrase comedian. Also, 2016 presidential candidate Herman Cain liked to say it a lot (along with his frequent quotes from a song in the first Pokémon movie.)

Shit, comedian Hamburger Jones was just as popular tagging all his jokes by saying Hamburger. It was essentially the same premise. So yeah, Booker is kinda aging himself just like it was weird Herman Cain would start saying random shit like that. 

That said, I am pretty sure Booker and Stevie spent all their time after coming back from shows watching Comic View and Def Comedy Jam at random low budget motels. I bet Booker knows DC Curry's dirty restaurant bit by heart. To be fair, I probably do as well now that I think about it. Hell, that's why a bunch of black comedians stole it and repurposed it as one of their jokes.

[zendragon]

5 hours ago, WebConn89 said:

That outfit alone

That time it was considered fashionable to wear a test pattern

[FourPostMassacre]

11 hours ago, madl said:

Is apartment wrestling still a thing?  Stumbled across a Reddit thread about Thunder Rosa and some sort of apartment wrestling (the poster didn’t call it that) and there was a video linked in the thread to a clip of Thunder Rosa wrestling someone in an empty gym. Rosa was dressed in a tiny bikini that seemed to be defying gravity by staying up and the other woman wasn’t wearing much either.  I’ve never seen apartment wrestling before so I was mostly creeped out by how scummy it all seemed.  Indie wrestler still do this?  The comments mentioned Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch doing this spot of thing at some point in their careers (separately. Not together).

 

 

Can’t believe there are people that still watch this kind of thing can we get a link to confirm such tomfoolery still exists… 

[stuntmanc]

To quote Mac

"That's disgusting! Where?! Where, where did he post those?"

[bobholly138]

13 hours ago, odessasteps said:

I would not be surprised if there were wrestlers, especially women, who supplement their income by doing the modern equivalent. 

I would also presume there are workers who have softcore or hardcore wrestling for sites like Ultimate Surrender (safe browser and/or incognito mode recommended) 

The women wrestlers in the deep south use to look forward to MWOW filming weekend. Magnificent Women of Wrestling. Was filmed in the north part of the state and was all custom matches. No nudity,and been told the payoff was great. 

 

For example average lady wrestler in MS/LA/AL gets 50 to 200,and 200 is only for the top 5%. But these custom tapings start at 200 for a match.

I figured everyone here knows this,in the indies the money is at the table.

See it almost every weekend,Dudes getting paid 40 to 60 bucks for a match. Then going to their table and sell 8x10s and shirts and make 200 or so.

 

I mean hell I just film and my table on average each show I  make 50 profit. And I'm just reselling wrestling stuff from my collection or stuff I found at thrifts. 

And the trick is find a local place that does t shirts for cheap. Buddy has one where if he pays  cash and gets at least 50 made at a time he gets them for 6 something each. Shirts sell for 25. 

 

Last show   before the first match started he had sold 20 shirts and sold a PILE more through out the show. 

 

[clintthecrippler]

Thunder Rosa was promoting customs matches with the women's roster of Mission Pro Wrestling on social media as recently as 2020, though admittedly that year there were very compelling reasons to be a little more aggressive in openly promoting that as a service.

Whatever, it's wrestling, money is money like bobholly138 noted above (I never had Hardcore pegged as a Misfits fan, tbh). Whether it's customs or OnlyFans, get that cash. Though admittedly the "intergender POV" customs kind of give me the creeps, where it's a first-person POV of a man doing moves to a female wrestler. I remember someone posting a few clips of Lacey Von Erich taking choke spots in some of those some years back and the people that were specifically ordering that seems like they should be on a some sort of watch list.  

[bobholly138]

Holly at least when Dad knew him wasn't a Misfits fan.

I am sure there is still a place in the Gulf States area that does custom matches. Just not hearing about it.

And yes money is money. Buddy last year was out eating with his wife and two young kids. Noticed how this place the kids didnt act up. Cause it had crayons and the white paper tableclothes the kids were told to draw on.

Next day he ordered 100 plain white paper face masks,came with elastic straps,and then packs of 5 crayons.

Started next show selling them 3 bucks for a mask and pack of crayons or 5 bucks for 2 of each. Huge profit on each one sold. 

Each show when he came out for his match,normally first match after intermission,you would see a pile of kids and some adults wearing the masks with stuff draw on it. Plus kids and adults would get the wrestlers to sign the mask.

You never know what the hell will sell good and for how long.

2020 I got a pile of those 90s era Chaos and Image published WWF comics. Some with the variant photo covers. Paid average of buck an issue.

 

Any photo cover or #1 issue I put a 10 bucks stick on it. The rest I put 5 bucks on them. First show,before doors opened,2 of the guys walked over grabbed 3 comics each and bought them. Doors open and I sell almost all the rest.

Get home order more from where  I got those. Sold 3 the next show and now 3 years later I still got 6 issues of some 2000s WWE comic and issue 2 of the Kevin Nash comic where he is like Mad max. People pick them up look at them and then put them back down. CLose to putting a NAME YA PRICE sticker on them and cllearing them out.
 

[Joe vs the Algorithm]

“Custom wrestling” seems to be underground (first rule of custom wrestling is….) but probably more widespread then you would think.  It’s supposedly fairly lucrative. The Young Bucks talked in a shoot about doing something similar in Japan.  Supposedly, there’s a subculture in Japan where wrestlers get dressed up in their gear and go to fans’ homes or something to pose and take photos.  Not sure if it involves matches in your underwear or not.

Personally. I am surprised major companies are willing to look the other way.  If I’m WWE, I’m concerned some sort of apartment wrestling fetish tape makes it to TMZ and I ditch the person involved asap. Then again, Seth Rollins involvement isn’t a secret and he’s never ended up on TMZ for it, so maybe the risk is low. Thunder Rosa and others have talked about it in shoots so they don’t seem to feel they need to keep it a secret.

Somebody posted matched and clips on this board many years ago (back when the board had monthly photo and match threads).  I thought it was rather sleazy stuff.  You can defend it however you want, but the most charitable take is you are playing to the creeps and encouraging them.

[AxB]

If all the sickos and creeps left the wrestling fandom space, wrestling would probably die.

[Elsalvajeloco]

Well, it's not as if they're doing this NOW. 

IMO It's kinda on the same level as someone digging up old posts when folks were teenagers. If folks had the hindsight that they would be huge stars several years later, they likely wouldn't have done those things. It doesn't help that pro wrestling, much like combat sports, is a profession where you can go from making very little to a whole lot in a relatively short time. You notice there a PLENTY of "I use to live out of my car" stories in pro wrestling. So that space (mostly through OnlyFans and the like) is always going to exist as long as there are very few ways to have a stable income before you make it big or at least get booked consistently.

[Octopus]

What are some great touring Indy matches? Opponents that matched up in multiple companies. Like American Dragon vs Low Ki in the early 2000’s.

[Matt D]

Was Snuka vs Metal Maniac the pro wrestling version of Globetrotters vs Generals?

[Raziel]

Snuka was way better than the Generals.

[Zimbra]

7 minutes ago, Octopus said:

What are some great touring Indy matches? Opponents that matched up in multiple companies. Like American Dragon vs Low Ki in the early 2000’s.

Steen vs Generico is the first thing that comes to mind.

[odessasteps]

12 minutes ago, Matt D said:

Was Snuka vs Metal Maniac the pro wrestling version of Globetrotters vs Generals?

Only if the Generals also drove the bus and had to (probably) supply Curly and Geese with pharmaceuticals. 

[Dolfan in NYC]

 

[Octopus]

15 minutes ago, Zimbra said:

Steen vs Generico is the first thing that comes to mind.

Chris Hero vs Eddie Kingston is another one I thought of. Rivalry spanning across IWA:MS, CHIKARA, CZW, IWC, PWG, ROH, and AIW.

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

40 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

Well, it's not as if they're doing this NOW. 

IMO It's kinda on the same level as someone digging up old posts when folks were teenagers. If folks had the hindsight that they would be huge stars several years later, they likely wouldn't have done those things. It doesn't help that pro wrestling, much like combat sports, is a profession where you can go from making very little to a whole lot in a relatively short time. You notice there a PLENTY of "I use to live out of my car" stories in pro wrestling. So that space (mostly through OnlyFans and the like) is always going to exist as long as there are very few ways to have a stable income before you make it big or at least get booked consistently.

It's basically like being mad at the sex worker for doing sex work and not the situation that resulted in them becoming a sex worker. I'm not going to fault someone for getting their money doing something that's legal.

[Elsalvajeloco]

22 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

It's basically like being mad at the sex worker for doing sex work and not the situation that resulted in them becoming a sex worker. I'm not going to fault someone for getting their money doing something that's legal.

That and the service industry is probably ain't for everyone to keep your head above water. It use to be if you had an OVW contract or any type of developmental contract and weren't getting extra like a Brock or Roman were probably getting, you would work at a TGI Friday's or whatever to make up the difference and get some cash in your pocket. That was before people knew working in the food service/hospitality industry was a goddamn nightmare.

[odessasteps]

When I went to OVW in 2005 ish, I went to Applebees after the show with Kenny Bolin and if it had not been a show night. At least two of the workers would have been there serving.  

[Matt D]

The first thing that came to mind was actually Fleisch vs Storm but I have no idea how those have aged.

[Octopus]

I can’t really find the data to support how many matches or if it was in multiple companies (I know of more that Cagematch doesn’t list at least), but I thought of Jerry Lynn vs Lightning Kid/ Sean Waltman.