Forbidden Door III - 6/30/2024

[StuntmanCrowley]

I honestly love making a favorite wrestlers list because it really does vary(however the top 3 are concrete and unwavering)

1. Mick Foley

2. Terry Funk

3. New Jack

*This one might raise some eyebrows, but New Jack was just, New Jack.  Garbage wrestling will always be around, but something about New Jack and his garbage wrestling has always stuck with me.  It doesn't hurt that the guy was genuinely an absolute unhinged fucking maniac and unpredictable.  I also have a soft spot for him threatening to run me the fuck over with his car(his words) outside of the ECW Arena, and then walking up, laughing about it with me but adding "I would've run you over" before sauntering off*

4. Bruiser Brody

5. Roddy Piper

6. Bryan Danielson

7. Samoa Joe

8. The Great Muta 

9. LuFisto

10. R-Truth.

 

This changes almost daily outside of the top 3-5 tbh(probably 6 because Danielson will never leave it as well).  On any given day, Dragon Kid, Ultimo Dragon, Mr Danger, Jun Kasai, Blitzkreig(short lived career but holy fuck was he impressive), Randy Savage, LOD, Steiners, Briscoes, etc.

[just drew]

Man, I was thinking about Blitzkrieg the other day...

[The Natural]

8 hours ago, Just Dave said:

Man, I was thinking about Blitzkrieg the other day...

Still remember Juventud Guerrera vs Blitzkrieg at WCW Spring Stampede 1999, the last great WCW PPV.

[The Natural]

WWF was on fire in 1999, WCW mostly was but in ring/most of their PPVs sucked with exception of WWF Backlash, WCW Spring Stampede and WWF No Mercy. ECW was the promotion to watch with ECW Guilty as Charged, ECW Living Dangerously, ECW Hardcore Heaven and ECW Anarchy Rulz.

[StuntmanCrowley]

I think I remember reading that Blitzkreig is now(or was) a computer programmer?

[The Natural]

14 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

I think I remember reading that Blitzkreig is now(or was) a computer programmer?

Yeah, that's what I always read, Blitzkrieg works in IT.

[Gorman]

5 hours ago, The Natural said:

WWF was on fire in 1999, WCW mostly was but in ring/most of their PPVs sucked with exception of WWF Backlash, WCW Spring Stampede and WWF No Mercy. ECW was the promotion to watch with ECW Guilty as Charged, ECW Living Dangerously, ECW Hardcore Heaven and ECW Anarchy Rulz.

I attended No Mercy 99 in Cleveland, and astonishingly, that's the last show I have attended from the company. I have never been to a WWE show. I hope that changes soon.

[MoeCristyV.1.6]

It's still the best ladder match WWE ever had. EVERY Spot works perfectly and the fans give multiple Standing Ovations. 

[NikoBaltimore]

I just found out tonight ZSJ/Orange is happening. I wanted this for about a year and posted as such so motherfucking fuck yeah, man! That shit is going to rule! 

[Nice Guy Eddie]

20 hours ago, The Natural said:

Yeah, that's what I always read, Blitzkrieg works in IT.

Of course, then the Blitzkrieg gimmick was passed on to Jack Evans. 

[zendragon]

On 6/4/2024 at 7:26 AM, Zakk_Sabbath said:

I never saw that one but oddly, I felt the exact same way about ZSJ vs Kurt Angle from like ten years ago

 

Which brings me to this! What would be a good new-ZSJ primer match for those of us still uninitiated?

He's got a ton of recent NJPW TV title matches up on youtube worth checking out

[The Natural]

On 6/4/2024 at 3:26 PM, Zakk_Sabbath said:

I never saw that one but oddly, I felt the exact same way about ZSJ vs Kurt Angle from like ten years ago

 

Which brings me to this! What would be a good new-ZSJ primer match for those of us still uninitiated?

 

2 hours ago, zendragon said:

He's got a ton of recent NJPW TV title matches up on youtube worth checking out

Zack Sabre Jr vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi and Zack Sabre Jr vs. Matt Riddle this year though your mileage may vary as it's Matt Riddle.

Edited June 13 by The Natural

[zendragon]

On 6/9/2024 at 9:42 AM, The Natural said:

10. Terry Funk.

9. Rey Mysterio Jr.

8. Eddie Guerrero.

7. Ricky Steamboat.

6. Mitsuharu Misawa.

5. Hiroshi Tanahashi.

4. Kazuchika Okada.

3. Kenta Kobashi.

2. Bret Hart.

1. Bryan Danielson.

The Natural's Not Top Ten

10. Penta

9. Adam Cole

8. EVIL

7 - 2 The rest of HOT

1. I have strong opinions about former WWF/WCW/WWE Champion Terry Bollea which you should PM me about. But I wanted to express them here too because I can't help myself

[The Natural]

1 hour ago, zendragon said:

The Natural's Not Top Ten

10. Penta

9. Adam Cole

8. EVIL

7 - 2 The rest of HOT

1. I have strong opinions about former WWF/WCW/WWE Champion Terry Bollea which you should PM me about. But I wanted to express them here too because I can't help myself

Switch Penta with Adam Cole and you've got it. There's only one choice for #1, F Hulk Hogan.

Goldberg, Kevin Nash, The Young Bucks and SANADA dishonourable mentions.

Edited June 16 by The Natural

[zendragon]

I should have put the current IWGP belt in there somewhere as well

[The Natural]

28 minutes ago, zendragon said:

I should have put the current IWGP belt in there somewhere as well

Yeah, the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship is #2. Hate that fucking thing. I'd put Penta higher as well.

[StuntmanCrowley]

A most hated top 10 would be an interesting way to go.  I'd be really interested to see some posters here list on that topic.

 

I'm not sure what 2-10 would be at the moment, but Goldberg will be my #1, then, now, always, lol.  That dude was shit in the ring and by all accounts seems like a total jackass out of it.

Edited June 16 by StuntmanCrowley

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

26 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

A most hated top 10 would be an interesting way to go.  I'd be really interested to see some posters here list on that topic.

Chris Benoit is the #1 for me. He killed Woman and his son. That's pretty loathsome.

Then you have people proven of sexual assault (and note I say PROVEN), with Buck Zumhofe and Bob Sweetan being the lowest of the low for going after their own children.

It'd get depressing real real quick. 

[StuntmanCrowley]

17 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

Chris Benoit is the #1 for me. He killed Woman and his son. That's pretty loathsome.

Then you have people proven of sexual assault (and note I say PROVEN), with Buck Zumhofe and Bob Sweetan being the lowest of the low for going after their own children.

It'd get depressing real real quick. 

I'd agree with you on that.  I was more thinking in-ring work, but i did open the door with comments regarding Goldberg's personality out of the ring.  Maybe we keep it to in-ring? Because i'd agree with you on that #1.

[John E. Dynamite]

I struggle to think of many wrestlers I loathe more than Tatsuhito Takaiwa.

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

9 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

I'd agree with you on that.  I was more thinking in-ring work, but i did open the door with comments regarding Goldberg's personality out of the ring.  Maybe we keep it to in-ring? Because i'd agree with you on that #1.

I find it very difficult to dislike someone just because I don't like their in-ring work. It's all very subjective and I find that there are people I didn't enjoy before that I'll enjoy later, so I give everyone a fair chance when I watch their stuff. Even if someone is retired or dead, I might see some random footage that blows me away and makes me rethink what my opinion was of that person.

For example, I used to not like Sakura Hirota at all in the early-2000s, I thought she was a colossal waste of time. Then I found out, as I got older, that I was a stupid dork and she was actually a genius, I just wasn't giving her enough of a chance.

[The Natural]

1 hour ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

A most hated top 10 would be an interesting way to go.  I'd be really interested to see some posters here list on that topic.

 

I'm not sure what 2-10 would be at the moment, but Goldberg will be my #1, then, now, always, lol.  That dude was shit in the ring and by all accounts seems like a total jackass out of it.

That would be interesting.

37 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

Chris Benoit is the #1 for me. He killed Woman and his son. That's pretty loathsome.

Then you have people proven of sexual assault (and note I say PROVEN), with Buck Zumhofe and Bob Sweetan being the lowest of the low for going after their own children.

It'd get depressing real real quick. 

 

19 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

I'd agree with you on that.  I was more thinking in-ring work, but i did open the door with comments regarding Goldberg's personality out of the ring.  Maybe we keep it to in-ring? Because i'd agree with you on that #1.

Yeah, Chris Benoit would be my #1. Before what he did, he was in my five favourite wrestlers of all time. I was a huge fan. My username here was The Crippler from September 2005-June 2007  I was so stoked winning a signed Chris Benoit picture, I framed it on my wall. I took it down afterwards and it's remained in a cardboard folder ever since. Still have it.

Edited June 16 by The Natural

[Technico Support]

On 6/16/2024 at 9:03 AM, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

Chris Benoit is the #1 for me. He killed Woman and his son. That's pretty loathsome.

Then you have people proven of sexual assault (and note I say PROVEN), with Buck Zumhofe and Bob Sweetan being the lowest of the low for going after their own children.

It'd get depressing real real quick. 

Throw Grizzly Smith on the pile of the "wrestling people who are smoking turds in hell if the universe is a just place" list.  There's a special humidor with Vince's name on it ready to go, as well.

Edited June 17 by Technico Support

[Elsalvajeloco]

On 6/16/2024 at 8:37 AM, Stefanie Sparkleface said:

I find it very difficult to dislike someone just because I don't like their in-ring work. It's all very subjective and I find that there are people I didn't enjoy before that I'll enjoy later, so I give everyone a fair chance when I watch their stuff. Even if someone is retired or dead, I might see some random footage that blows me away and makes me rethink what my opinion was of that person.

For example, I used to not like Sakura Hirota at all in the early-2000s, I thought she was a colossal waste of time. Then I found out, as I got older, that I was a stupid dork and she was actually a genius, I just wasn't giving her enough of a chance.

I feel like the list of Japan's failed attempts at American sports entertainment from that era is long as hell, but Eccentric is probably the exception just cause the idea Sakura Hirota bossing around Chigusa Nagayo (with pigtails mind you) is too ridiculous not to enjoy. That and doing the The Rock's catchphrases for no reason.

[Zimbra]

Least favorite has to be Rockin' Rebel, who was absolute dogshit in the ring and a murderer outside of it.