paintedbynumbers Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 We wouldn't have had the Dangerous Alliance, but imagine a new Horseman with Flair, Arn, Rude, and Austin. Would have tormented Sting and his friends for a long time. 2
PetrolCB Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, paintedbynumbers said: We wouldn't have had the Dangerous Alliance, but imagine a new Horseman with Flair, Arn, Rude, and Austin. Would have tormented Sting and his friends for a long time. I don't know about anyone else, but I would've gladly sacrificed not having the Hollywood Blondes around if we got that version of the Horsemen. 2
SorceressKnight Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 4 hours ago, evidence said: Boring pick, but I'm going with Linda running things and Shane playing the on screen heel boss Even if it's boring, I think it would also tie into the "would they sell?" question. Even if Linda runs things, Shane had no interest in running the company, and Stephanie was just out of college and wouldn't have been able to step right into that role in 1999- it's likely it's temporarily run by Linda/Shane/Stephanie, with the goal to eventually find someone to buy. (Considering Mandalay Bay was willing to pay 500 million for WCW in 1999 and WWF would have had the more recognizable name, higher ratings, and a lot of bigger stars in 1999, it's likely that WWF not only would have sold easily, but could have gotten higher.) Indeed, that'd make things different further, since suddenly, you have the "there's a precedent for a big sale price" that would make WCW likely get A higher price tag, but likely also have the question mark if WWF is purchased (since there's the question of whether the "WWF gets first refusal in a WCW sale" clause WWF won in the Hall/Nash lawsuit would have transferred over, and indeed if the new company to purchase WWF would have realized they had this ace in the hole)- and suddenly when the AOL/Time Warner merger is completed and AOL's first order of business is "get WCW off our books, no matter what it takes", the ownership there is even more of a question.
PetrolCB Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said: Even if it's boring, I think it would also tie into the "would they sell?" question. Even if Linda runs things, Shane had no interest in running the company, and Stephanie was just out of college and wouldn't have been able to step right into that role in 1999- it's likely it's temporarily run by Linda/Shane/Stephanie, with the goal to eventually find someone to buy. Mark Cuban buys the WWF instead of the Mavs. 1
Wyld Samurai Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Infinit said: At one point wasn't there a rumor that WCW was going to bring in Lawler in 91 when Flair left? Was there any particular reason why Lawler never bothered to have a run in the NWA?
odessasteps Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said: Was there any particular reason why Lawler never bothered to have a run in the NWA? He was supposed to get an NWA/WCW title run but it fell through.
olythegreat89 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, paintedbynumbers said: We wouldn't have had the Dangerous Alliance, but imagine a new Horseman with Flair, Arn, Rude, and Austin. Would have tormented Sting and his friends for a long time. I don’t know if Flair and Rude’s egos would’ve allowed them to coexist. Rude left the WWF with a chip on his shoulder because he felt he was misused so I don’t see him playing second fiddle to Flair. Maybe we get a Dangerous Alliance (Rude, Eaton, Zbyszko, Austin) vs a babyface Horesmen (Flair, Arn, Pillman, Tully?) 1
Matt D Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Re: the Lawler/WCW thing: https://drive.google.com/file/d/16KPlsneIdAY16uaDHkHqALQmOgLk8NgA/ This is just one page of an Observer from 91 which takes from a Wrestling Spotlight radio interview Eddie Gilbert with but I'm going to leave it here. Just zoom a few times and you can see it fine. 2
SorceressKnight Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, L_W_P said: Otherwise I would think Patterson or Brisco take the reigns for a while until a suitable buyer is found? Geez... would Turner buy WWE at that point? Merge the WWE and WCW under Bischoff and things get INSANE... There might be a number of big buyers in 1999, but it seems likely Turner would be the last buyer. Given that the AOL/Time Warner was already announced and was in the mix, it's clear Time Warner wouldn't allow Turner to purchase WWF due to freezing purchases, and even if they didn't freeze purchases, the two-pronged attack of "AOL didn't want WCW to begin with" and "if you have two very big companies making a merger and trying not to attract the attention of antitrust lawsuits thinking a monopoly was forming, the exact worst thing they could do is make a purchase like WWF that would give WCW a monopoly." 1
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt D said: Re: the Lawler/WCW thing: https://drive.google.com/file/d/16KPlsneIdAY16uaDHkHqALQmOgLk8NgA/ This is just one page of an Observer from 91 which takes from a Wrestling Spotlight radio interview Eddie Gilbert with but I'm going to leave it here. Just zoom a few times and you can see it fine. I remember reading this. It seems like a dozen lifetimes ago, both in my wrestling world and in my life. Also, EGilbert was one of the smartest peoples ever about the business and he was helpless against the politickers. - RAF
SorceressKnight Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 Well, the joke of Mark Cuban buying WWF instead of the Mavericks is...closer to the truth than it looks. Even if Hogan was worth a lot of money (he wouldn't be worth that much in 1999), the quoted prices are in the "no 'rassling name' has a fighting chance at it. Again, the big number to look at was Mandalay Bay's attempt to buy WCW for $500 million in 1999, and it becomes clear that $500 million would be the likely low end price for a WWF sale in 1999. Considering that WWF is the more well-known brand than WCW and WWF was winning in the ratings war at the time, plus much more mainstream success than similar WCW names had gotten at the time, it would likely be a higher pricetag than that. The endgame that seems most likely: Viacom picks up the WWF as a whole when they purchased the rights to Raw/Heat for MTV/Spike TV. 1
sydneybrown Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Wyld Samurai said: Was there any particular reason why Lawler never bothered to have a run in the NWA? Pretty sure Lawler was promised an NWA title run in 1985 too. He had a whole "if I don't win the championship, I retire" angle going. And then it was dropped. And then he ended up losing a "loser leaves town" match anyway that killed business. 1
MavsFan77 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 5 hours ago, PetrolCB said: Mark Cuban buys the WWF instead of the Mavs. Hey don’t make the Mavs suffer like that. Cuban buying them was the best thing to happen to the team (other than trading for Dirk).
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 If WWE doesn't buy WCW, what does the 2001 timeline look like for them? HHH and Benoit on the shelf for the rest of the year. I assume the Angle/Austin program happens without any real change there, but leaves a significant undercard hole without Booker and DDP. Does RVD still sign? Does Shawn come back earlier as was slated for X7 without being born again?
PetrolCB Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: Does Shawn come back earlier as was slated for X7 without being born again? Shawn still would've missed Mania, since I believe the go home Raw was the one where he passed out backstage. Which gave us this gem... Edited June 4, 2020 by PetrolCB 4
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 It's not quite the Vis/HBK "he did a line of coke off a limo THIS big" story from the sleaze thread, but that is up there. 1
SorceressKnight Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said: If WWE doesn't buy WCW, what does the 2001 timeline look like for them? HHH and Benoit on the shelf for the rest of the year. I assume the Angle/Austin program happens without any real change there, but leaves a significant undercard hole without Booker and DDP. Does RVD still sign? Does Shawn come back earlier as was slated for X7 without being born again? The most obvious benefit is- the undercard loses Booker T and DDP, but presumably the Edge and Christian breakup becomes a much, much bigger deal without WCW in play. It may not get them to main event levels, but it likely gets them each to Booker/DDP's level instead of extras in the feud. There's other questions in play there- the Eddie Guerrero/Matt Hardy/Lita thing was dropped due to Eddie's drug problems, but between Matt as Euro champ and Jeff as IC champ, it's also entirely feasible both guys are added as top undercard names without it, especially since all claims at the time were "RVD and Steve Corino agreed to terms with WCW and if WCW lived, they go there." The bigger question is if they remake the undercard as a whole with the TLC workers and also throw the Dudleyz in there, since the only other lowcard angle swallowed up by the Invasion was the Spike Dudley/Molly Holly relationship, and that's a question mark since it also happened to be the only one of the undercard angles going on in between Mania 17 and the Invasion that didn't seem to have a satisfying ending (and any ending would tie into the "Chyna was gone in 2001 as Women's Champ, opening up another big hole.in the undercard and taking a way for that angle to fill it.")
BloodyChamp Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 I wonder if he would have hired Jim Cornette to run it holy shit how great that would have been
Unnatural Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 If the Wild Samoans weren't influenced by Chief Maivia is there any other influence to bring them in? The real question I'm trying to get to is, what would the modem scene look like if Afa and Sika and their family, including The Rock and his branch of the family tree, never entered the pro wres? No Yokozuna, Samoan swat team, Roman Reigns, etc? Probably giving them way too much credit for helping shape the modern landscape with The Rock being a massive crossover star. Just wondering, if the dominos fall different, if none of the Maivia and Anoia family enter wrestling, does Vince have a movie studio for wwe produced movies? Do Austin and Hunter get any roles without The Rundown and the other early roles like guest hosting SNL? Is there a Marine franchise to kind of kickstart John Cena and his semi crossover appeal? I could be completely off missing lots of info but I dont think theres a WWE Network like we know it, theres no publicly traded company, without Rock trailblazing the way to making wrestling "fun" Sure I'll admit that the Monday night wars brought notoriety and popularity, but after the merger, minus a Rock like breakout star I don't see WWE still being the "entertainment juggernaut" it is today. Austin vs McMahon works for the fans, but say Austin still retired due to health issues, does he try going into movies that aren't direct to dvd? Is there a Smackdown show added to bring more content, and who would be the headliner that it's named after? Forgive my blabbering, just curious.
SorceressKnight Posted June 6, 2020 Posted June 6, 2020 Well, in addition to all those problems without the Wild Samoans, you also have to add the expanded problem of "No Wild Samoans in wrestling, the Wild Samoans don't open a wrestling school" that even makes things bigger. Do that, and the timeline changes even further than that...Batista? Never able to enter pro wrestling after the Power Plant rejected him, he's gone from wrestling (and presumably his movie career never happens too.) The movement away from Moolah's style of women's wrestling dies on the vine; Luna Vachon and Sherri Martel were two of the first women to do it while getting away from Moolah's grasp, and both trained there. Michael Hayes? Didn't get trained, he's out of the picture- both as a wrestler and as a booker, so you've just changed things dramatically on both sides of the coin. 1
cwoy2j Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 18 hours ago, SorceressKnight said: Well, in addition to all those problems without the Wild Samoans, you also have to add the expanded problem of "No Wild Samoans in wrestling, the Wild Samoans don't open a wrestling school" that even makes things bigger. Do that, and the timeline changes even further than that...Batista? Never able to enter pro wrestling after the Power Plant rejected him, he's gone from wrestling (and presumably his movie career never happens too.) The movement away from Moolah's style of women's wrestling dies on the vine; Luna Vachon and Sherri Martel were two of the first women to do it while getting away from Moolah's grasp, and both trained there. Michael Hayes? Didn't get trained, he's out of the picture- both as a wrestler and as a booker, so you've just changed things dramatically on both sides of the coin. Brutus Beefcake and Hulk Hogan are never van neighbors with The Wild Samoans when they were in the Florida territory and living out of their vehicles on the beach. Hogan and Beefcake never smoke pot and eat fried chicken with The Samoans in between matches, trips to the beach and banging ring rats so they get disillusioned with wrestling. Beefcake goes back to being a bartender and Hogan goes on to be the bassist for Metallica. 1 1
BloodyChamp Posted June 8, 2020 Posted June 8, 2020 Hogan becoming a crackhead is almost worth missing out on the Samoans. It’s not like they were ever pushed like they should have been anyway. They could have been the GOAT heel tag team. 1
Wyld Samurai Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 What if Schiavone didn't return to WCW? Would he have eventually become the lead announcer, or would he have angled his way into a producer role? What would have happened to JR? The whole voice of the WWF would have been completely different in the Attitude era.
BloodyChamp Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 He would have messed it up or his attitude would have gotten him in trouble. I have good memories of Tony because I bled WCW but he sucked tbh. I came here to post a very well done troll topic that I saw on another forum. It said, in more words for well done trolling that people can’t help but bite on effect, that Bobby Eaton should have ended Goldberg’s streak. I don’t know what the long term effects would have been but I know all the people still believing in the delusion of Chris Benoit becoming WCW champion would have popped big time lol!
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