Elsalvajeloco Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Yeah, the marquee fights didn't AC until Trump came into the fold. That had a ton of volume though in terms of the Main Events and Butch Lewis cards. I think that's also when Arum had his weekly fights at whatever casino. However, I do agree with the assessment of Hogan being far too big for Vince to just pry him away domestic business. It's crazy though that now, you have multiple shows in back-to-back months happening way on the other side of the world and earlier in the year an event happened at like 1 or 2 am EST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 And oh yeah here is the poster that was referenced. Something interesting stuff going on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) It's interesting to look at the list of artists in the Sun City music video and wonder if their spots in the video was as political/business related as they apparently were for We Are the World. Edited March 25 by odessasteps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Everyone did it out of the kindness of their heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 And some people may not know it was directed by Jonathan Demme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Wasn't Rob Halford in it? I didn't catch him in the video (but then I skipped some of the start). Still, "Sun City" feels like the underground version of "We Are the World" just from the people that Little Stevie pulled. I clipped ahead and there was George Clinton so I was like "yeah this is the darkside We Are the World". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I watched two Futen shows this weekend and somebody brought a baby to each of them. Those kids have to be teenagers now and I would love to ask them some questions about their childhood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: Wasn't Rob Halford in it? I didn't catch him in the video (but then I skipped some of the start). Still, "Sun City" feels like the underground version of "We Are the World" just from the people that Little Stevie pulled. I clipped ahead and there was George Clinton so I was like "yeah this is the darkside We Are the World". George probably fired up a nice little rock afterwards. Ok...likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 The list from Wikipedia Quote When Van Zandt was finished writing "Sun City", he, Baker and Schechter spent the next several months searching for artists to participate in recording it. Van Zandt initially declined to invite Bruce Springsteen, not wanting to take advantage of their friendship, but Schechter had no problem asking himself; Springsteen accepted the invitation. Van Zandt also had reservations about inviting jazz giant Miles Davis, whom Schechter also contacted; with minimal persuasion, Davis also accepted. Eventually, Van Zandt, Baker and Schechter gathered a wide array of artists, including DJ Kool Herc, Grandmaster Melle Mel, The Fat Boys, Rubén Blades, Bob Dylan, Herbie Hancock, Ringo Starrand his son Zak Starkey, Lou Reed, Run-DMC, Peter Gabriel, David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, Darlene Love, Bobby Womack, Afrika Bambaataa, Kurtis Blow, Jackson Browne and Daryl Hannah (his girlfriend at the time), Bono, George Clinton, Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood, Peter Wolf, Bonnie Raitt, Daryl Hall and John Oates, Jimmy Cliff, Big Youth, Michael Monroe, Peter Garrett, Ron Carter, Ray Barretto, Gil Scott-Heron, Kashif, Nona Hendryx, Pete Townshend, Pat Benatar, Clarence Clemons, Stiv Bators, and Joey Ramone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: George probably fired up a nice little rock afterwards. Ok...likely. I feel safe in saying "definitely". Hell he probably did before the shoot, too. And yeah I saw the Wiki list but was holding out hope for the video. My old Book of Rock Lists had him listed, I think? Edited March 26 by Curt McGirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Some more detailed examples from Ronda Rousey on her grievances with her run in WWE. https://www.cagesideseats.com/2024/3/25/24108542/ronda-rousey-interview-lifelong-concussion-history-where-wwe-run-went-wrong-vince-mcmahon-prichard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorbladeKiss87 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: And oh yeah here is the poster that was referenced. Something interesting stuff going on. Terry Funk as a super heavyweight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 49 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said: Terry Funk as a super heavyweight? I am guessing they're using actual weight classes cause Super Heavyweight in amateur boxing is anything over 200 lbs (91 kilos). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintthecrippler Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 fwiw, one wrestler that was very aware of the Sun City dustup was Rowdy Roddy Piper, who in leading up to Wrestlemania 2 dropped "..and 'I' play Sun City" a few times in his heel promos during the buildup to the boxing match with Mr. T: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMxeN5t_-BM (Piper dropping the line Wrestlemania 2 Press Conference) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iHuoaMEQYs (Piper dropping the line on MTV itself while at the Slammys) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Was Roddy a real life racist? I thought I would have read about it before now. This '80s heel stuff of his does NOT age well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I think he was just more of the old school say/do anything to get heat on an angle taste be damned. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) I’d have thought it was to get heat. I guess you have to ask if heels who used race-baiting promos were just doing what they thought they needed to say and how much was what they really believed. Look at the number of people who have said Ole was not a racist “in real life” after he passed away. again, wrestling is in that weird real life vs character conflict. Do people automatically think Actor X is a racist because he played one? Did people in the 70s think Carroll O’Connor was really like Archie Bunker? Edited March 26 by odessasteps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 And Piper is one of those guys who always seemed to be in character working even if he was being interviewed by Bill Maher or on HBO Real Sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, odessasteps said: Do people automatically think Actor X is a racist because he played one? Did people in the 70s think Carroll O’Connor was really like Archie Bunker? No, but this is a simple question with a simple answer that many people hate. Those kinds of people are the real racebaiters much of the time and it doesn’t really affect me, for sure it doesn’t traumatize or break my heart or any of this stuff that supposedly happens to offended people…but it does freaking annoy me. Jeeze. I only wish 1980s phony insults were the pinnacle of it all now. Edited March 26 by BloodyChamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintthecrippler Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, zendragon said: I think he was just more of the old school say/do anything to get heat on an angle taste be damned. Thats about where I fell on all of that too and a lot of the older heel promos from 1980s and prior. I imagine Piper's first real money-drawing heat feud being against Chavo Guerrero in Los Angeles probably planted that bug as well when it came to his heel promos. I think for my own personal line a lot of that type of stuff in heel promos comes down to whether the heel got his comeuppance at some point. More often than not, ultimately at some point the faces that were often the targets of the more incendiary promos would get their shine back down the road. Another heel Piper example would be when he called Bruno Sammartino an Italian slur in front of 20000 fans at Madison Square Garden during Pipers Pit. This was then followed however by Bruno beating the holy hell out of Piper and leaving him bloody in cage matches around the horn. I think thats why Triple H going down that road with his promos against Booker T prior to Wrestlemania 2003 is so memorably cringe. It was already (and rightfully so) criticized in real time as being an outdated approach to building heel heat. But then the match ends with Triple H pinning Booker clean and there is never that "heel gets his comeuppance" feelgood moment to wash the bad taste away. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 19 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said: Anyone with Honor Club: how much early ROH is on there? I really want to rewatch Joe vs Kobashi and see how it holds up. I haven't seen it since high school probably. Probably 90% of the early stuff is on there, with some years missing a show or two. I think mainly 2004 is the only one with a lot left out with just 4 events from it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BP) Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I really wish that Sputnik Monroe movie had gotten made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 presenting Big Dick Hoss!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) Wrestling is far different from acting, of course, because of kayfabe. Carrol O’Connor didn’t stay in character in real life, going around trying to convince the marks that Archie Bunker was a real person. I don’t think any wrestler should get the protection of “I was just playing a character” when called out for on-screen racism when they went out of their way to convince everyone that they weren’t playing a character in every other aspect. You couldn’t just selectively kayfabe. When we see “our guest tonight is Joe Anoai, who plays Roman Reigns on TV,” then we can talk about wrestlers distancing themselves from their characters. Edited March 26 by Technico Support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Dustin training the next generation, two more bulls of the woods! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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