December 2022 Wrestling Discussion

[Goitre]

Mandy Rose is not a person. She's a registered trademark.

[Casey]

Good thing Mandy Sacs has had the FanTime site this entire time I guess.

[John from Cincinnati]

4 hours ago, Casey said:

Absolutely no reason to believe that if Punk had came back to WWE instead (or still does) that he won’t follow the same pattern as Cody. Have some TV matches against established upper midcarders, feud with a top name, and go multiple PPVs having repeats of matches.

Nothing wrong with multiple PPVs with repeat matches though, is there? Three consecutive ROH shows were just sold on the back of the same single match and most of us loved it. And in Cody's case, it was a masterstroke in bringing him in correctly. Cody was never an established WWE main eventer, but he sure looks like one after sweeping Seth Rollins 3-0 (capped with that last performance with a torn pec). I know people talk shit on 50-50 booking, but rematches have a place and letting someone bat 1000 against a perennial headliner is a great use of them. Everyone should wish they were booked so strongly. 

Shoot, I'm still sad about not getting Punk-Friedman 3. People like series of matches. Yay for repeats of matches!

[Craig H]

Women, and men, should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their own bodies. I'm 42 and I never even knew Mandy Rose had an OnlyFans or whatever she had until today. I would imagine the vast, vast, vast majority of the audience also had no clue. Literally no one was hurt or affected by this and people are now only aware because they fired her for it.

Go fuck yourself with all of this talk of morality clauses or "why did she do it now instead of waiting until her contract was up" bullshit. It's her body and it's her own business.

[odessasteps]

Do we need a dumpster fire thread yet so we can not be repeating everything in 2 threads?

[TheVileOne]

22 minutes ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said:

Where is the issue? WWE has made money off this person's likeness, and in return, she's earned notoriety through her own work with the company. 

Now, she wants to take that notoriety and move in a different direction with it. WWE got what they wanted out of the relationship and so did she.

I don't understand why people argue that the performer owes anything to the company. She traded her labor for a check and a profile. That's fair. 

The issue is that I believe WWE has a policy on this. Now if you don't like the policy and you are OK with breaking your contract to do that, I guess great. Granted, I don't think it's a just policy and WWE should be able to prevent wrestlers from making outside money not related to wrestling, but if wrestlers don't want to speak up for themselves and fight for that, that's on them.

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

MORE MENS OPINIONS ON WOMENS BODIES.

[TheVileOne]

4 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

Do we need a dumpster fire thread yet so we can not be repeating everything in 2 threads?

With all the sanctimonious grandstanding, yes.

[nate]

On 12/13/2022 at 12:06 PM, Dolphman 3000 said:

McMahon Genome Federation

That's just another nickname he gave to his nuts.

[Kevin Wilson]

9 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Women, and men, should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their own bodies. I'm 42 and I never even knew Mandy Rose had an OnlyFans or whatever she had until today. I would imagine the vast, vast, vast majority of the audience also had no clue. Literally no one was hurt or affected by this and people are now only aware because they fired her for it.

Go fuck yourself with all of this talk of morality clauses or "why did she do it now instead of waiting until her contract was up" bullshit. It's her body and it's her own business.

While that is an honorable pedestal to stand on, and I think most would agree, the point here isn't whether it is right or wrong, but her knowing she couldn't have both. WWE gave her a contract that she read and signed, so she should have known either she can work for WWE, or she can do the OnlyFans type deal. Saying she can do 'whatever the fuck' she wants with her body is true, but using that as an argument is moving the goalpost since I don't think anyone disagrees. No one is judging her as a person or looking down on her. But in the real world, contracts mean something so people were just pointing out if she wanted to do that type of content she couldn't also work in WWE too. And its a wrestling message board, people are doing to talk about it and have different opinions.

Personally, I agree its bullshit, WWE sells sex so telling a wrestler they can't sell sex to make side money is ridiculous. But I'd also never sign a contract that said I couldn't do side jobs either, its a tough position and one that sucks.

[Dog]

8 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

With all the sanctimonious grandstanding, yes.

Look who's talking, Mr. "What's a Cam Show?" 

[SirSmUgly]

4 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

The issue is that I believe WWE has a policy on this. Now if you don't like the policy and you are OK with breaking your contract to do that, I guess great. Granted, I don't think it's a just policy and WWE should be able to prevent wrestlers from making outside money not related to wrestling, but if wrestlers don't want to speak up for themselves and fight for that, that's on them.

Sure, she decided to ignore the policy and move a different direction and so did WWE. Cool. Where's the controversy? Both parties made moves that they felt were best for them. 

 

[Cobra Commander]

I don't think people should be fired over this, but i'm also not surprised that a company with a clear record of not wanting their employees to make 'side'-money without giving them a cut is doing this.

Meanwhile some unhappy male talent in the future will ponder "can I finally get my release if I post my cock online for money?", just to make this while debate a little more awkward for some people.

[Krone]

4 minutes ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

MORE MENS OPINIONS ON WOMENS BODIES.

To be fair... Are we thinking if Riddle or Rollins were caught spinning their meat on OF they wouldn't be fired either? I mean we don't have a male to example to counter this with, but Paige did have a sex tape released and she wasn't fired. So idk. Whole situation is intersting to say the least.

[nate]

1 hour ago, TheVileOne said:

... And they don't have a hard policy about things like that so it's no big deal.

I BET THEY DONT, BAHAHAHAHA!

[Craig H]

2 minutes ago, Kevin Wilson said:

While that is an honorable pedestal to stand on, and I think most would agree, the point here isn't whether it is right or wrong, but her knowing she couldn't have both. WWE gave her a contract that she read and signed, so she should have known either she can work for WWE, or she can do the OnlyFans type deal. Saying she can do 'whatever the fuck' she wants with her body is true, but using that as an argument is moving the goalpost since I don't think anyone disagrees. No one is judging her as a person or looking down on her. But in the real world, contracts mean something so people were just pointing out if she wanted to do that type of content she couldn't also work in WWE too. And its a wrestling message board, people are doing to talk about it and have different opinions.

Personally, I agree its bullshit, WWE sells sex so telling a wrestler they can't sell sex to make side money is ridiculous. But I'd also never sign a contract that said I couldn't do side jobs either, its a tough position and one that sucks.

Some of that was directed at the incel and stormfront forum poster who has a history a looking down on women.

[Craig H]

3 minutes ago, Krone Meltzer said:

To be fair... Are we thinking if Riddle or Rollins were caught spinning their meat on OF they wouldn't be fired either? I mean we don't have a male to example to counter this with, but Paige did have a sex tape released and she wasn't fired. So idk. Whole situation is intersting to say the least.

Ricochet had a masturbation video up on Pornhub.

[Casey]

4 minutes ago, Krone Meltzer said:

To be fair... Are we thinking if Riddle or Rollins were caught spinning their meat on OF they wouldn't be fired either? I mean we don't have a male to example to counter this with, but Paige did have a sex tape released and she wasn't fired. So idk. Whole situation is intersting to say the least.

Saraya had a sex tape leaked by a ex-lover. That’s entirely different from what we’re talking about.

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

3 minutes ago, Krone Meltzer said:

To be fair... Are we thinking if Riddle or Rollins were caught spinning their meat on OF they wouldn't be fired either? I mean we don't have a male to example to counter this with, but Paige did have a sex tape released and she wasn't fired. So idk. Whole situation is intersting to say the least.

This is a good way to divert this topic. Which guys would you think have a good sex tape?

Sid. Charisma alone. And you know there's going to be a lot of fist bumps. 

[Log]

See y'all in the January thread when this one inevitably gets closed.

[John from Cincinnati]

6 minutes ago, Krone Meltzer said:

I mean we don't have a male to example to counter this with, but Paige did have a sex tape released and she wasn't fired. So idk. 

I don't recall the exact details, but wasn't that a revenge porn situation? If so, let's not go down this road. 

[John from Cincinnati]

3 minutes ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

This is a good way to divert this topic. Which guys would you think have a good sex tape?

Sid. Charisma alone. And you know there's going to be a lot of fist bumps. 

People would complain about too much posing, but the answer is whoever is most likely to hit the bicep flex American Psycho-style. Dolph? 

[Craig H]

1 minute ago, John from Cincinnati said:

People would complain about too much posing, but the answer is whoever is most likely to hit the bicep flex American Psycho-style. Dolph? 

There is that Amy Schumer story about Dolph.

[SirSmUgly]

Yeah, this isn't that interesting, ultimately. I'm happy for the worker doing what's best for them, that's all. 

However, Sid is interesting! Though not a hypothetical Sid sex tape, my goodness, why?! There's diverting the thread and then there's whatever that little thought experiment was supposed to be. 

Wrestling desperately needs the next tall dude with amazing physical charisma who only does daps, chokeslams, and powerbombs. I'll tell you that much. 

[Cobra Commander]

5 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Ricochet had a masturbation video up on Pornhub.

Was that one of the countless videos that PH had to pull down when they did their "hey, we need to pull all these videos because people either post stuff they don't own or it's a liability" sweep? (Yeah, I think that PH used the more popular defense to also proactively yank down all the stuff that they'd inevitably get DMCA complaints over)

Also it turned out to be a pretty reasonable move to not release Paige over the whole revenge porn dump because a more prominent WWE women's talent with a very famous father got Revenge Porned a little bit later. So releasing people because someone else stole their stuff and posted it is a bit different from OnlyFans. Allowing Brad Maddox to cum on the NXT Women's Title isn't a fireable offense under some circumstances.