supremebve Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Actress that plays Margery - 32 years old. Actor that plays Tommen - 16 years old. Well done son, well done. For real, Cersei going to try talking shit about Maergery and Tommen is going to reply with this... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Whoa Lady Tyrell is 32? I thought maybe 24. Not that 32 is old by any means but she's well on her way to aging beautifully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Actress that plays Margery - 32 years old. Actor that plays Tommen - 16 years old. Well done son, well done. It's Good To Be Da King. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Poor kid. If he was 18, they probably would have had her naked for that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Tommen looked like a kid who saw his first Playboy spread except the centerfold hopped in his bed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICFrEkbvCg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I'm flummoxed by the reveal about poisoning King Douchebag. Doesn't this seem needlessly convoluted? Littlefinger cajoles Ser Fatass to give Sansa Stark a gimmicked necklace that contains poison. Santa wears the necklace to the wedding. At some point Olenna...filches just the right poisoned stone from the necklace? And then finds some way of putting the poison stone in Joffrey's goblet unnoticed? Why wouldn't Olenna just keep the poison on her person and cut out the middle-Stark? When did she have time to put the poison rock in the goblet? And since the goblet was very openly dropped and then kicked prior to being refilled with wine, wouldn't any effective poison rock have to be either immediately placed in the goblet at that point or added to the wine decanter which was several feet from Olenna? I'M SO CONFUSED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I'm flummoxed by the reveal about poisoning King Douchebag. Doesn't this seem needlessly convoluted? Littlefinger cajoles Ser Fatass to give Sansa Stark a gimmicked necklace that contains poison. Santa wears the necklace to the wedding. At some point Olenna...filches just the right poisoned stone from the necklace? And then finds some way of putting the poison stone in Joffrey's goblet unnoticed? Why wouldn't Olenna just keep the poison on her person and cut out the middle-Stark? When did she have time to put the poison rock in the goblet? And since the goblet was very openly dropped and then kicked prior to being refilled with wine, wouldn't any effective poison rock have to be either immediately placed in the goblet at that point or added to the wine decanter which was several feet from Olenna? I'M SO CONFUSED. I ventured into the spoilery thread to ask this a week ago and they said it was a way to cover Lady Olenna's ass....if anything went wrong, it would obviously be Sansa who was on the hook. Getting her in the middle (without her knowing) was the best cover. They may actually be surprised that Cersei immediately blamed Tyrion and were assuming that by spiriting Sansa away she would be the main (and only) suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I'm flummoxed by the reveal about poisoning King Douchebag. Doesn't this seem needlessly convoluted? Littlefinger cajoles Ser Fatass to give Sansa Stark a gimmicked necklace that contains poison. Santa wears the necklace to the wedding. At some point Olenna...filches just the right poisoned stone from the necklace? And then finds some way of putting the poison stone in Joffrey's goblet unnoticed? Why wouldn't Olenna just keep the poison on her person and cut out the middle-Stark? When did she have time to put the poison rock in the goblet? And since the goblet was very openly dropped and then kicked prior to being refilled with wine, wouldn't any effective poison rock have to be either immediately placed in the goblet at that point or added to the wine decanter which was several feet from Olenna? I'M SO CONFUSED. It is kind of convoluted, but we do have dragons, zombies, blue eyed ice dudes, and now blue eyed ice babies. The most ridiculous part is that somehow she had to know that she would have access to the goblet after Tyrion handled it. It was obvious that they wanted to make him and Sansa the fall guys, but how did they know that he would make Tyrion his cup bearer? She couldn't put it into the decanter because she couldn't have anyone else accidently drink the poison. She had to put it directly into his cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Baelish also kinda lies to Sansa when he tells her that "a man with no motive is a man no one suspects." Baelish not only will be in the good graces of the Tyrells for his part in Joffrey's perishing, he will have also avenged the murder of his love, Catelyn Stark. I will have to watch that episode again because I am also fuzzy on when Oleanna had the opportunity to poison Joffrey directly. The episodes following Joffrey's assassination have gone out of their way to show Margaery as being oblivious of the conspiracy, so there goes the theory that she was complicit and that Oleanna allegedly provided Margaery with an antidote in case of an accidental poisoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think it was sort of an opportunity thing. IT wasn't 100% that the opportunity would arise, but if it did, they would be prepared. Joffrey's such a blowhard and the people involved are so damn savvy (with, potentially, multiple people trying to achieve the same goal) that it was a good plan, even if not a foolproof one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 So, uh, wouldn't they go after Tommen as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think the episode covered that pretty well. Tommen is younger, more pliable, less of a dangerous sociopath. "They" (and "they" is tricky here since there are various people with various goals) still want Margery to be Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I'm flummoxed by the reveal about poisoning King Douchebag. Doesn't this seem needlessly convoluted? Littlefinger cajoles Ser Fatass to give Sansa Stark a gimmicked necklace that contains poison. Santa wears the necklace to the wedding. At some point Olenna...filches just the right poisoned stone from the necklace? And then finds some way of putting the poison stone in Joffrey's goblet unnoticed? Why wouldn't Olenna just keep the poison on her person and cut out the middle-Stark? When did she have time to put the poison rock in the goblet? And since the goblet was very openly dropped and then kicked prior to being refilled with wine, wouldn't any effective poison rock have to be either immediately placed in the goblet at that point or added to the wine decanter which was several feet from Olenna? I'M SO CONFUSED. It is kind of convoluted, but we do have dragons, zombies, blue eyed ice dudes, and now blue eyed ice babies. The most ridiculous part is that somehow she had to know that she would have access to the goblet after Tyrion handled it. It was obvious that they wanted to make him and Sansa the fall guys, but how did they know that he would make Tyrion his cup bearer? She couldn't put it into the decanter because she couldn't have anyone else accidently drink the poison. She had to put it directly into his cup. And she had to put it in his cup AFTER the cup was dropped and kicked under the table. If the cup was poisoned before that, the poison rock would have been jostled and lost. It's just too convoluted. When did Olenna get the poison stone from the necklace? And if the poison is just a little pebble this that, I still don't understand why Olenna wouldn't just pocket it in the voluminous folds of her gown, rather than have Sansa smuggle it in and be forced to basically pickpocket from her bare neck with her 100 year-old hands. SHENANIGANS! I CALL SHENANIGANS! Bad enough they're calling wyverns "dragons" but this is a bridge too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Ah, you're right. Even still...keep your head on a swivel, kid. And have fun with the queen. Lucky bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think the episode covered that pretty well. Tommen is younger, more pliable, less of a dangerous sociopath. "They" (and "they" is tricky here since there are various people with various goals) still want Margery to be Queen. This. The Tyrells still want Margaery to be queen at the side of a king who is not a sadistic shit. Double bonus for Baelish being in the Tyrell's good graces and putting his thumb in the eye of the Lannisters. And she had to put it in his cup AFTER the cup was dropped and kicked under the table. If the cup was poisoned before that, the poison rock would have been jostled and lost. It's just too convoluted. When did Olenna get the poison stone from the necklace? And if the poison is just a little pebble this that, I still don't understand why Olenna wouldn't just pocket it in the voluminous folds of her gown, rather than have Sansa smuggle it in and be forced to basically pickpocket from her bare neck with her 100 year-old hands. SHENANIGANS! I CALL SHENANIGANS! Bad enough they're calling wyverns "dragons" but this is a bridge too far. Yeah, the POV nature of the books is bleeding into the show. There is never a section of the novels where a POV narrator is near Oleanna when she hatches the plot or prepares for the assassination, so our info as viewers / readers is only as good as the information available to our POV narrator and the narrator's reliability and personal bias. Same shit with Agatha Christie. You never solve the mystery before Hercule Poirot because you only get Poirot's vocal narration and never hear his thoughts about what is going on around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Yeah it looks to me like Lady Tyrell is going to have Tommen wrapped around her finger but I'm not sure that's even because he's a kid... she could steer any man's vessel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Unless that man is a sociopath like Joffrey which Tommen isn't..at least not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Yeah it looks to me like Lady Tyrell is going to have Tommen wrapped around her finger but I'm not sure that's even because he's a kid... she could steer any man's vessel. Sure, if that vessel were a flying saucer.. The scene with Tywin and Tomen was deliberate snap establishment of the boy's character which is surprisingly stellar for a Lannister, Tyrion not withstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 In the back of his mind, I'm sure Tywin was thinking, "thank the gods you're not a complete retard like Joffrey." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 In the back of his mind, I'm sure Tywin was thinking, "thank the gods you're not a complete retard like Joffrey." Tommen being the anti-Joffrey isn't exactly good either. The kid is very naive and Tywin is on point trying to toughen him up in preparation for taking the throne. Being in power means having to make the odd shitty decision every now and again because 51% of the cititzens will benefit while others get the shaft. With Dany and her dragons to the East, the White Walkers to the North, and Stannis still apeshit insane, the Iron Throne is a dangerous place to sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Lady Tyrell has proven to be quite intelligent and quite the manipulator.. she deserves some credit here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 She's shrewd and she's smart enough to listen to her Grandmother and steer clear of Cersei's insanity, so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Lady Tyrell has proven to be quite intelligent and quite the manipulator.. she deserves some credit here.. She had done a fairly decent job with Joffrey even, as well as anyone could be expected to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 With Dany and her dragons to the East, the White Walkers to the North, and Stannis still apeshit insane Stannis is the TRUE KING. His sanity will be perfectly intact once all the usurpers are properly dealt with. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 We need to do a Kickstarter for Stannis and get him an army. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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