Ace Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 If the company wants him to be a main eventer? He should go over, yes. Getting 4 PPVs of bullshit finishes gets nobody over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 If the company wants him to be a main eventer? He should go over, yes. Getting 4 PPVs of bullshit finishes gets nobody over. It got Austin over. It's also now gotten Big Show over in the past couple of months. If Bryan can't get over because of these recent screwy finishes, then that's on Bryan not being no where near compelling as the Big Show.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 If the company wants him to be a main eventer? He should go over, yes. Getting 4 PPVs of bullshit finishes gets nobody over. It got Austin over. Who did Austin put over on the way to WM14? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Summerslam was Daniel Bryan's WM14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 WM14 ended with Austin having his hand raised by Mike Tyson. SummerSlam ended with Daniel Bryan being pedigreed by Triple H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 If the company wants him to be a main eventer? He should go over, yes. Getting 4 PPVs of bullshit finishes gets nobody over. Maybe, but just beating everyone all the time isn't better. He needs a big boss - like a suited corporate dick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 WM14 ended with Austin having his hand raised by Mike Tyson. SummerSlam ended with Daniel Bryan being pedigreed by Triple H. "When life gives you lemons..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A question for the people thinking Bryan is worse off now than before? When did he become super-popular? Specifically, what single incident can you track this main event run to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelemania Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Who the hell isn't a star that we like? Well, I can't speak for a collective "we" but I can speak for myself: I don't want Randy Orton & John Cena as the world champions. I don't want two world champions, period. That's stupid. I don't want Daniel Bryan in the main event. I don't want Alberto Del Rio crammed down my throat on TV. Or Curtis Axel. Or Damien Sandow. Why are Triple H, Shawn Michaels & The Big Show the focal point of the company in 2013? I don't care about Kofi, Kane, Miz, Swagger...more than half the roster is generic fucking jobbers, just eating up TV time because WWE is so over-exposed. I don't want an endless supply of matches that happen for no reason, or rematches. Especially rematches from the PPV the night before that people paid for, or rematches from Smackdown that WWE acts like doesn't even exist. I don't want contenders to get title shots at champions on the PPV by beating the champion clean on free TV first. I don't give a fuck if a match is wrestled well if the characters are all uninteresting & the story sucks. I'm not watching this shit in a vacuum. Why do we still have multiple authority figures that all make spur of the moment matches? It's just terrible. The only thing I think going on right now that is "good" is the tag team stuff & it already feels like I've seen the matches sixty times. When will something memorable happen? Something that people talk about years from now. Maybe it's nostalgia, I don't know, but I still remember the characters from when I was growing up. My friends & I still reminisce about storylines from back then, like Martel blinding Jake the Snake, or the snake biting Savage, or Steamboat getting his throat crushed. Are people going to remember Cena coming back from another injury to win another title on another throwaway PPV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valcourt Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't think Daniel is going to be buried by last night. My problem is I just don't "get" the story telling aspect of it. HBK's involvment just confuses me. If it means DB taking out HBK in a Obi-Wan kinda way then that's cool.. This is far from a burial, it's just weird story telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggulator Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Who the hell isn't a star that we like? Well, I can't speak for a collective "we" but I can speak for myself: I don't want Randy Orton & John Cena as the world champions. I don't want two world champions, period. That's stupid. I don't want Daniel Bryan in the main event. I don't want Alberto Del Rio crammed down my throat on TV. Or Curtis Axel. Or Damien Sandow. Why are Triple H, Shawn Michaels & The Big Show the focal point of the company in 2013? I don't care about Kofi, Kane, Miz, Swagger...more than half the roster is generic fucking jobbers, just eating up TV time because WWE is so over-exposed. I don't want an endless supply of matches that happen for no reason, or rematches. Especially rematches from the PPV the night before that people paid for, or rematches from Smackdown that WWE acts like doesn't even exist. I don't want contenders to get title shots at champions on the PPV by beating the champion clean on free TV first. I don't give a fuck is a match is wrestled well if the characters are all uninteresting & the story sucks. I'm not watching this shit in a vacuum. The only thing I think going on right now that is "good" is the tag team stuff & it already feels like I've seen the matches sixty times. When will something memorable happen? Something that people talk about years from now. Maybe it's nostalgia, I don't know, but I still remember the characters from when I was growing up. My friends & I still reminisce about storylines from back then, like Martel blinding Jake the Snake, or the snake biting Savage, or Steamboat getting his throat crushed. Are people going to remember Cena coming back from another injury to win another title on another throwaway PPV? On paragraph 1) I don't know what to tell you on that, other than you should probably watch something else.On paragraph 2) I'm not a huge of fan of that, either. But I can live with a lot of it. On paragraph 3) If you're not a fan of The Rhodes Boys winning or Bryan beating Cena or Show punching out Reigns or Punk/Lesnar and think those are memorable -- again, I don't know what to tell you. You can relive your favorite stuff pretty easily or search out things more to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A question for the people thinking Bryan is worse off now than before? When did he become super-popular? Specifically, what single incident can you track this main event run to? When he started fucking the sister of John Cena's girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A question for the people thinking Bryan is worse off now than before? When did he become super-popular? Specifically, what single incident can you track this main event run to? When he started fucking the sister of John Cena's girlfriend. Nope, guess again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 When he got squashed by Sheamus at Mania or the first vignette with him and Kane at anger management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggulator Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A question for the people thinking Bryan is worse off now than before? When did he become super-popular? Specifically, what single incident can you track this main event run to? I far from think he's worse off. In fact, no, he's not.But his initial wave of recognition came after that WM he lost in 18-seconds. Then he got super popular with the Kane pairing. I mean, who knew that thing would have the legs it did and would carry the tag division? His personality really shone through that. Then there was the "weak link" part run that cemented him as the most entertaining in-ring guy on the roster. Even Heel Mouthpiece JBL constantly touts that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 When he got squashed by Sheamus at Mania Yep. He's never been a superhero. Never. He lost in 18 seconds to Sheamus and came out of it stronger. That's why I think you guys should stop getting so wound up about individual wins and losses. It hasn't mattered before. He was second to leave NXT. He was fired for choking someone with a tie. He won the US Title and jobbed a ton. He isn't affected by these things the way shit guys like McIntyre and Barrett are. Somehow, despite the nature of the business, people will follow the guy down as well as up. So chill the fuck out. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A question for the people thinking Bryan is worse off now than before? When did he become super-popular? Specifically, what single incident can you track this main event run to? When he started fucking the sister of John Cena's girlfriend. Nope, guess again. As much as I like Bryan and think this angle's been fucked up, if he doesn't start dating a Bella, Bryan's midcarder for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelemania Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 On paragraph 1) I don't know what to tell you on that, other than you should probably watch something else.On paragraph 2) I'm not a huge of fan of that, either. But I can live with a lot of it. On paragraph 3) If you're not a fan of The Rhodes Boys winning or Bryan beating Cena or Show punching out Reigns or Punk/Lesnar and think those are memorable -- again, I don't know what to tell you. You can relive your favorite stuff pretty easily or search out things more to your liking. 1. I do. 2. I can live with it, it's just so ridiculous. They literally pay people to come up with ideas, they have a creative team. They spend money for people to write things that they don't use, shoot down, alter, etc. It's completely ridiculous. Nothing is new, nothing is fresh, nothing is really even fun. They ignore the reactions from the live crowds if it doesn't meet their agenda. When they stumble onto something that is over, or hot, they fuck it up or let egos/politics get in the way. 3. I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I don't want Daniel Bryan in the main event. Huh. I didn't think anybody other than Gonzalez would say that. I mean, why would you want the best wrestler in the main event anyways...I guess. No, I don't know. I really don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Bryan was already high up on the card before he feuded with Cena. He was mixed up in the Mark Henry Hall Of Pain era and won the World belt from Big Show,It is not like he was jobbing to Kofi Kingston for two years, You know it killed me inside to see Sabu submit to John Cena. But at the same time, I appreciated that working a ppv with Cena was a big deal. Maybe the former ROHbots need to get some perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 When he got squashed by Sheamus at ManiaYep. What, because at the post-Mania RAW, i.e. the smarkiest crowd of the year, Bryan was over like never before?That crowd was reacting out of spite. They spent the entire night chanting "Yes!" to make it plain to WWE that they weren't having that. Sheamus got booed out of the building. Alberto Del Rio got a "Si!" chant.And lest we think that post-Mania crowds are representative of the fanbase as a whole...: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yeah it was just the one crowd. Everything else was the result of booking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 There really wasn't one thing that led to the rise of Bryan, but if it was anything, it was the Weak Link stuff combined with Bryan having an amazing hot streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 You asked when "this main event run" began. It wasn't at Mania. The breakup of Hell No and the weak link stuff are the actual answers. If you want to point to a single moment, I'd say when Bryan made Rollins tap out for the Shield's first loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 You asked when "this main event run" began. It wasn't at Mania. The breakup of Hell No and the weak link stuff are the actual answers. If you want to point to a single moment, I'd say when Bryan made Rollins tap out for the Shield's first loss. No, it was an organic process beginning with an embarrassing loss. That was the beginning of the genesis of the origin of the introduction of Daniel Bryan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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