Raziel Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Can we have asshole emojis? 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMark Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 In my experience the first step to good mental health is being honest with myself. If Simone Biles is being honest with us (and I've got no reason to believe that she's not being honest,) she says she felt she couldn't perform at the right level - borne out by her earlier performances - and that she didn't want to drag her team down. Would she have been doing the right thing for the team if she went out and flubbed it? I would argue not. Let's not forget that there were three other ladies who did stand up and took Silver. She now has to deal with this, and get herself right for the rest of the events. She's the Greatest Ever and yet she was dragging the team down? Come on, man. That must suck. I can absolutely see how that might bring someone into a vicious circle of beating themselves up, and for her to be able to be honest with herself is laudable. Maybe it will be easier for her to get her head right, without feeling like she's letting down the team if she doesn't succeed. I can easily believe that might be the case without her "just being out for herself," or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'm more bitter if NBC went and redid the commentary, because there's zero fucking chance they knew what was going on before Biles pulled out yet they were setting it up from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 hours ago, DangerMark said: In my experience the first step to good mental health is being honest with myself. If Simone Biles is being honest with us (and I've got no reason to believe that she's not being honest,) she says she felt she couldn't perform at the right level - borne out by her earlier performances - and that she didn't want to drag her team down. Would she have been doing the right thing for the team if she went out and flubbed it? I would argue not. Let's not forget that there were three other ladies who did stand up and took Silver. Not her call, imo. The team has a coach. If the coach decided she wasn't right and that the team would be better off with a replacement, that's fine. If she went to the coaches before the event and told them she wasn't ready to perform and they agreed, that's fine. What seems to have happened is that, after a bad routine. she unilaterally made the decision that she couldn't perform for whatever reason and didn't perform. That's basically quitting on your teammates. I would argue that, if you're the best in the world, you're probably a lot better than Alternate #1 even on a bad day. Your ceiling is a lot higher, so to speak If nothing else, I imagine seeing your team star walk off in the middle of the competition is bad for your team morale. Hopefully she gets her head on straight in time for the individual events. I'll be surprised if she doesn't compete later in the week. I won't be sad if Alternate #1 again gets 15 min in the spotlight, but Biles probably is the team's best hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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username Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 FWIW I support Biles pulling herself from the events if she felt she was not up to it and was just gonna drag the team down, that's the right move and surely wasn't easy. That said... high level sports are as much mental as physical so while I don't think it is right to attack her this is a clear, definitive, fair L that she has to take. If you walk around all year with your gear saying you are the greatest of all time and then mentally falter in the championship you don't get the benefit of excuses, all those other wins and historic things happened and were glorious and don't suddenly disappear but in this one setting on this one day she... she failed, she's human, she lost. It sucks and I hope she kicks ass in the individual events. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) I remember the days when Team Great Britain could barely win a medal in the pool. This is the first time GB have won three swimming golds since 1908. I've wanted to learn to swim for about two years but the pandemic has delayed that. Edited July 28, 2021 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I hate Piers Morgan. Fucking twat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMark Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 hours ago, username said: FWIW I support Biles pulling herself from the events if she felt she was not up to it and was just gonna drag the team down, that's the right move and surely wasn't easy. That said... high level sports are as much mental as physical so while I don't think it is right to attack her this is a clear, definitive, fair L that she has to take. If you walk around all year with your gear saying you are the greatest of all time and then mentally falter in the championship you don't get the benefit of excuses, all those other wins and historic things happened and were glorious and don't suddenly disappear but in this one setting on this one day she... she failed, she's human, she lost. It sucks and I hope she kicks ass in the individual events. I pretty much agree with all of this, and I would just like to add that it's important that she has come out and talked about what she was going through. Mental Health is weird because things seem like they should be a choice, but accepting that some things are not a choice is the first step to making the best possible choice. That might not make a lot of sense to everyone, but it's been my experience, both of making the best possible choice and staying in bed for weeks on end. Piers Morgan has not once displayed any sort of ability to be honest with himself and should listen to Wittgenstein: "whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should keep one's fuckin' mouth shut." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Breaking news, American gymnast and four-time Olympic gold medallist Simone Biles has withdrawn from Thursday's individual all-around final in Tokyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 BUT SHE WAS BEING SELFISH FOR QUITTING I know I am supposed to do that in upper and lower case version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Twitter seems to love the hoop shooting robot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) I support Simone and am kinda glad that the days of the self-flagellating athlete are drawing to an end. Teams function best when everyone is as close to 100% as possible; not when someone is quietly suffering and trying to convince themselves that they are okay. If Simone thinks that she will be a detriment to the team in her current mental state, she needs to bow out. I admire athletes that can play through physical injury and I am always concerned about their well being, but I categorize mental issues in a different manner. I don't need Simone or Naomi Osaka contemplating suicide after suffering bouts of depression triggered by these games. Fuck that medal. I think this just speaks to the tremendous amount of pressure these athletes place on themselves to deliver and make their countries proud of them. I also think that the people criticizing them should go fuck themselves. When you are so good at something that you have a technique or a maneuver named after you, then you can afford to talk that shit. Edited July 28, 2021 by J.T. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 Yeah, Simone can do whatever the hell she wants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, J.T. said: I support Simone and am kinda glad that the days of the self-flagellating athlete are drawing to an end. Teams function best when everyone is as close to 100% as possible; not when someone is quietly suffering and trying to convince themselves that they are okay. If Simone thinks that she will be a detriment to the team in her current mental state, she needs to bow out. I admire athletes that can play through physical injury and I am always concerned about their well being, but I categorize mental issues in a different manner. I don't need Simone or Naomi Osaka contemplating suicide after suffering bouts of depression triggered by these games. Fuck that medal. I think this just speaks to the tremendous amount of pressure these athletes place on themselves to deliver and make their countries proud of them. I also think that the people criticizing them should go fuck themselves. When you are so good at something that you have a technique or a maneuver named after you, then you can afford to talk that shit. Well said, @J.T.. In the end of the day, it's sport. Physical and mental wellbeing is of far more importance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dolfan in NYC said: Yeah, Simone can do whatever the hell she wants. Jesus. Don't need Antonio Inoki slaps. Motivate with words to pump someone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 US Women wins the 3x3 basketball gold medal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Did someone slap them really hard before hand to motivate them? Good on them though, especially with the men's team's poor showings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKevFan Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) Suppose I gotta give Samone a little bit of credit, as if I was slightly above average at something and it ended up getting me a free trip to Japan I'd fuck off my team when I got there too Edited July 28, 2021 by BigKevFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, BigKevFan said: Suppose I gotta give Samone a little bit of credit, as if I was slightly above average at something and it ended up getting me a free trip to Japan I'd fuck off my team when I got there too I'm on vacation so this is the most breath and thought I'll spare you. You are a fucking idiot. 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BigKevFan said: Suppose I gotta give Samone a little bit of credit, as if I was slightly above average at something and it ended up getting me a free trip to Japan I'd fuck off my team when I got there too Stop talking fucking bollocks. Edited July 28, 2021 by The Natural 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'd tell all of the schmucks hating on Biles to try walking a mile in her shoes if I didn't think half of them couldn't nip down to the corner without strapping into a Rascal first. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, BigKevFan said: Suppose I gotta give Samone a little bit of credit, as if I was slightly above average at something and it ended up getting me a free trip to Japan I'd fuck off my team when I got there too The fuck is wrong with you? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I had a doctor's appointment this morning and Aly Raisman was on the Today Show talking about Simone Biles. She mentioned the mental thing that Biles is going through and described it as being lost in the air, which sounds terrifying while doing some sort of crazy gymnastics. You can't do gymnastics and not have full confidence about how and where you are going to land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 hours ago, BigKevFan said: Suppose I gotta give Samone a little bit of credit, as if I was slightly above average at something and it ended up getting me a free trip to Japan I'd fuck off my team when I got there too I hope that's just misguided, juvenile trolling and not your actual beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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