E.J. Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY4eZ4fBcGE You guys are sleeping on the Mark of Excellence as Big E.'s finisher. Also, is Mark Jindrak the 2000's Billy Gunn in terms of a dude who had the look, pushes, and decent ring work, but just never got over as a singles competitor in the WWE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 From everything I've seen, Matt Bourne finished more people off with the Stump Puller than the Whoopie Cushion. They really should give that suplex into a stunner that R-Truth uses as a transition move and give it to someone for a finisher. Yeah, Masato Tanaka had those Stunner variations, someone should be using them. Maybe not in the WWE, because of obvious reasons, but why isn't anyone rocking the diamond dust. I bet Heath Slater could do a good Buff Blockbuster. AND REMEMBER WHEN EVERYONE HAD A TORNADO DDT? Christian had like three different ones. How far has that move fallen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 You really think Billy Gunn never got over as a singles competitor? He may not have been in the main event, but the Ass Man was over. That being said, he might not have reached his full potential, but he was a way bigger star than Mark Jindrak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_h Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Speaking of Masato Tanaka, someone should totally steal the Sliding D as a finisher. It's safe and you can hit it on anyone from Rey to Big Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY4eZ4fBcGE You guys are sleeping on the Mark of Excellence as Big E.'s finisher. I forgot who used it(might have been Cena), but someone did use it during RAW this past monday. Big E.'s too small for it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Billy Gunn kills Mark Jindrak. I don't even know who you could properly compare Mark Jindrak to. Tyler Reks? The Rally Flag Guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 On Raw, Cena did this weird half nelson lift in to a neckbreaker thing, which I immediately thought could be a finisher for a mid carder. I'm surprised no one has used the Go Flasher, which would be different enough from a jack hammer but still impressive from a power stand point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Aside from the New Age Outlaws, no one was tuning into RAW because Billy Gunn was going to be on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'd like to see someone start using the Stump Puller as a finisher. I don't think I've seen anyone use it since Big Bully Busick. Didn't Doink also use it after him? Come to think of it, you are correct, sir! Now I find myself missing heel Doink... *sigh* How would you feel about a couple of new heel Doinks joined by a heel Dink for a feud with Los Matadores and El Torito? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well yeah, but how many guys are you really tuning in for, and how many guys are dudes you like having around once you tune in? I never bought a ticket to see the Hurricane but that doesn't mean he wasn't over like a motherfucker. No one bought a ticket for Jindrak, but unlike Billy, no one remembers him doing anything ever. I already forgot what he did in the youtube video above, and I just watched 6 minutes ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I think that's a different comparison. I don't think anyone in the company or the crowd believed Hurricane was a future world champion, and he was over because he had a fun gimmick. Then there are the Billy Gunn's and Mark Jindrak's of the world who are pushed as the future of the company, yet fail to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookieghana Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well yeah, but how many guys are you really tuning in for, and how many guys are dudes you like having around once you tune in? I never bought a ticket to see the Hurricane but that doesn't mean he wasn't over like a motherfucker. No one bought a ticket for Jindrak, but unlike Billy, no one remembers him doing anything ever. I already forgot what he did in the youtube video above, and I just watched 6 minutes ago.Jindrak is one of those guys who I can remember stuff from in WCW but I totally gloss over any memories of them in WWE after that.See also: Chuck Palumbo, Maxx Payne/Man Mountain Rock, Bill DeMott/Hugh Morrus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'll have to bow out of the debate because I literally can't remember Mark Jindrak being pushed as anything. Like I just realized most of my memories that I think I have him are actually of Shawn Stasiak. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookieghana Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I think that's a different comparison. I don't think anyone in the company or the crowd believed Hurricane was a future world champion, and he was over because he had a fun gimmick. Then there are the Billy Gunn's and Mark Jindrak's of the world who are pushed as the future of the company, yet fail to get there. Well, as it's probably noted, when you lose the chance to be in Evolution, it's clear the decisionmakers in the company doesn't think of you as the real future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiColin Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 While Jindrak certainly never amounted to much in the US, it seems he's having a good run down in Mexico as Marco Corleone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 My favourite Jinrak memory is when Jindrak and Cade jumped Orton for that briefcase full of money. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I think that's a different comparison. I don't think anyone in the company or the crowd believed Hurricane was a future world champion, and he was over because he had a fun gimmick. Then there are the Billy Gunn's and Mark Jindrak's of the world who are pushed as the future of the company, yet fail to get there. Well, as it's probably noted, when you lose the chance to be in Evolution, it's clear the decisionmakers in the company doesn't think of you as the real future. Well that's the thing. Didn't Triple H say that he wanted to pick some guys that he saw had potential and could mold into main event players? Obviously they went with Batista in Jindrak's role, but that could have been for a number of reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Speaking of Masato Tanaka, someone should totally steal the Sliding D as a finisher. It's safe and you can hit it on anyone from Rey to Big Show. D-lo did during his last WWE run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I want to see a wrestler with a completely ridiculous finisher...Something like King's extra long suplex/slam/power bomb combo from Tekken. Also, we are way overdue for someone to do an homage to Disco Inferno's finisher that he could never figure out and had to use instructions for. Did Disco ever actually pull that finisher off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 ...wasn't that supposed to be a figure 4? If so, we have in fact had that homage...from Miz. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Speaking of Masato Tanaka, someone should totally steal the Sliding D as a finisher. It's safe and you can hit it on anyone from Rey to Big Show. Curtis Axel used it for a while in FCW. I have no idea why he stopped using it. I'll have to bow out of the debate because I literally can't remember Mark Jindrak being pushed as anything. Like I just realized most of my memories that I think I have him are actually of Shawn Stasiak. The only two things I remember about Mark Jindrak in WWE are that he teamed with Luther Reigns (remember him?) as Kurt Angle's enforcers, and that he had a match on Velocity with Doug Basham that was surprisingly good. Oh, and his knock-out punch finisher wasn't Big Show-level atrocious. I do wish Mark Jindrak and Sean O'Haire would have gotten a push during the Invasion. I always thought O'Haire had a lot of potential back then. Any reason why he didn't stick around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Because while he had a good look, he had a sucky attitude and wasn't that good in the ring or on a live mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well, none of those things ever stopped Vince from pushing a guy before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul sosnowski Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The shortest Meltzer 5 star match was Ishii vs Shibata from the G1 Climax this year (8/4). It clocked in at 12:17. I also remember he gave 4 3/4***** to a Rey-Psicosis match that lasted less than 10 minutes on the War Super J Cup (12/13/95) What was the 5 star match that went 18:09? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVDAD2 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The shortest Meltzer 5 star match was Ishii vs Shibata from the G1 Climax this year (8/4). It clocked in at 12:17. I also remember he gave 4 3/4***** to a Rey-Psicosis match that lasted less than 10 minutes on the War Super J Cup (12/13/95) Oh man, 4 3/4 for Rey n Psicosis. All I remember of that match was at least 3-4 straight minutes of highspot to the floor, roll into the ring, hit your guy roll to the floor, hightspot to the floor, rinse lather repeat. Even in 95 I thought it was a bit to much overkill to the match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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