BobbyWhioux Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Just finished book five, was hoping for more to it. Better than Feast for Crows, but that is not saying much. Not that I'm implying that you should spend the next six months rereading the books, but I think A Feast for Crows is the book you'd enjoy rereading the most. Once you realize who the new characters are, and stop being pissed off that they are in the book and your favorite characters aren't, it is really good. My job allows me to sit here with earbuds and listen to podcasts, music, and books on tape. I listened to the entire series, which is really well done by the way, and Feast for Crows was my favorite after listening to it. I hated it when I read it, but I really think it was based much more on the fact that it was so focused on people I didn't care about at the time. After Storm of Swords I wanted more than anything to know what happened to Tyrion, and I didn't get it. I got a book full of Cersei, who was the last person I wanted to get more of at the time. Now, I understand that Cersei is the character who you hate for what she did to Ned, Sansa, and Tyrion, and getting into her mind seems like it would be the worst way to spend a thousand pages. Once you realize she is a crazy person who can't help herself but to feel like the world is fighting against her, it gets really interesting. The thing that makes it a chore the first time through is that you don't realize she is a crazy person when the book starts. Until A Feast for Crows you can very easily think that she is a smart manipulator, because there are enough smart people around her that her ineptitude doesn't really shine through. Then all of a sudden Tywin is dead, Tyrion is on the run, Varys has disappeared, and Littlefinger is in the Eyrie, and she has all of the power, and slowly but surely you realize that this person who you hated but respected her G wasn't a G at all. She is insane and everything she does isn't just bad for the realm, but bad for everyone. It is bad for her, bad for Tommen, bad for Jaime, and especially bad for anyone who has hitched their wagon to the Lannister cause. She just turns everything that Robert, Tywin, Tyrion, and the rest of the small council built into a pile of steaming shit in no time at all, and the whole time she is cackling to herself like she is smarter than everyone. It is almost too subtle the first time through, but when you go back through it knowing where it ends up it reads a lot better. She's a quality heel promo, too. She's also slowly turning into everything she despised about Robert, which is tremendous fun to see on re-read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I actually enjoyed Cersei's sections, it was the Dorne and Brienne's sections I hated. Plus, I had heard The Hound, my favorite character of the series, was in it and I missed his cameo at first. I was more pumped to see Ser Robert Strong and the Gravedigger theory, meaning one day we will get The Hound vs The Mountain. Arya and Sansa's journeys were intriguing. There was too much stuff that seemed to drag. A Dance With Dragons had all of the really interesting characters but with 150 pages left I realized nothing was really accomplished there either. The Dorne stuff again was pointless, people kept "dying" then returning, the big finale is chopped off. And so much Daenarys, he character I loath most. Such an annoying character arc and in a world where anyone can die she is untouchable and obnoxious. I actually felt sad for Cersei by the end, this woman went from having the whole world seemly in her hands and is now shamed into submission. I liked Varys return, that was well done. Seriously though, The Others better show up in Winds of Winter. It is winter now in the books, show up already. I like to think Benjen Stark will show up in that book as well, he maybe hid that horn at the Fist of the First Men before heading into the Land of Always Winter. I can totally see Jon Snow's injuries leaving Te Wall leaderless and easily overrun. I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I actually enjoyed Cersei's sections, it was the Dorne and Brienne's sections I hated. Plus, I had heard The Hound, my favorite character of the series, was in it and I missed his cameo at first. I was more pumped to see Ser Robert Strong and the Gravedigger theory, meaning one day we will get The Hound vs The Mountain. Arya and Sansa's journeys were intriguing. There was too much stuff that seemed to drag. A Dance With Dragons had all of the really interesting characters but with 150 pages left I realized nothing was really accomplished there either. The Dorne stuff again was pointless, people kept "dying" then returning, the big finale is chopped off. And so much Daenarys, he character I loath most. Such an annoying character arc and in a world where anyone can die she is untouchable and obnoxious. I actually felt sad for Cersei by the end, this woman went from having the whole world seemly in her hands and is now shamed into submission. I liked Varys return, that was well done. Seriously though, The Others better show up in Winds of Winter. It is winter now in the books, show up already. I like to think Benjen Stark will show up in that book as well, he maybe hid that horn at the Fist of the First Men before heading into the Land of Always Winter. I can totally see Jon Snow's injuries leaving Te Wall leaderless and easily overrun. I hope. That's not all that's chopped off in ADWD, wink wink nudge nudge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Also, given that dragons are "fire made flesh" as they're described in the series, and this is the song of ice AND fire, it stands to reason there's an "ice made flesh" to balance things out and said creature will eventually assert itself. That has to be The Others. I have to believe the others are Winter Personsified. Winter with a capital W. The Winter the Stark family motto is talking (and warning you) about all this time (and nobody listened because they were too busy killing the Starks off). So yes, the Winds Of Winter has to turn into or at least culminate with The Others administering NWO Beatdowns to all of Westeros without discrimination or quarter. And honestly, Westeros is so full of assholes I'll probably be cheering the heel beatdown as totally justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Not that the fourth and fifth books were bad but they didn't reach the quality of the three proceeding books. I love the world building but at times it was meandering. I do enjoy how due to treachery Ramsay Bolton has avoided two major forces coming down on him and possibly a third time unless Theon warns Stannis of Karstark. I think GRR! Bounces back on WoW, it has to open with Meereen at war and Stannis vs Ramsay. Seems like the Greyjoys will get some bigger roles and the Sand Snakes might actually do something. Really enjoying guessing at all the mysteries, like who will ride the other two dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiller Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Jonathan Pryce! And Dr Bashir too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Damnit. I was hoping Ghassan Massoud would play Doran Martell. But Siddig will be great too. And Jonathan Pryce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Mr. Pryce as High Sparrow is fantastic. I was imagined Doran looking like the Sultan from Aladdin though. EDIT: I'm all in on a Ghassan Massoud re-cast. LOVE THIS DUDE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Holy shit, casting is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I was imagined Doran looking like the Sultan from Aladdin though. Yeah, the guy was basically immobilized by his gout, if I recall correctly. I imagine him being a bit more stout. But it's not that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 So.... no Greyjoys this year or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I might have missed it in the series, but is Balon Greyjoy dead? I can't recall any mention of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 So.... no Greyjoys this year or what? One more year until Victarion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Well, notable characters missing from that casting reel include all Greyjoys, pretty much everyone who's not Yezzen that appears in Essos (everyone Tyrion encounters, especially Connington and Aegon, everyone Ayra encounters) and Arianne was notable absent from that reel of Sand Snakes, Hoath, Mycella, and Doran. So I imagine that this was just a partial announcement and there are more to come. Its gonna be hard to stick the Ironborn in a holding pattern for another year without Balon dying and the Kingsmoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcosLoura Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Oh yeah that Yezzan sucks dicks, he's supposed to be a morbidly obese jaba-looking motherfucker. Hoath smiled too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Ian McNeice should have been Yezzan, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I might have missed it in the series, but is Balon Greyjoy dead? I can't recall any mention of it. Balon Greyjoy has won the war of five kings by default on the show and it never ceases to be hilarious to me. Unless his death is a deleted scene to come on Season 4 DVDs. I've long assumed they won't show his death until they're finally ready to go in on the Kingsmoot/Greyjoy Brothers stuff, which that "new cast" clip suggests won't be this year. A little bummed. Also a little bummed that there's no Randyll Tarly (at least not yet; he would be a fun shitheel to portray). Looks like Myrcella is recast as well. Too bad, the original had a funny little Vine post after the Purple Wedding episode. But this show hasn't really missed yet on a casting decision so I guess I'm cool with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 So, about that Vary's line in the trailer... Looks like we will be guessing as much as anyone else this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Season Four out now on dvd and blu-ray. Loaded with extras again. There is a roundtable with actors discussing being killed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 So this is the year the show just completely blows by the published books, then. Starting tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 RIP Jon Snow. This will be the Red Wedding / Red Viper vs. The Mountain soul crushing event of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Assumng of course they stay on course w the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Assumng of course they stay on course w the books. I am counting on them staying on the popular and profitable course of having one event per season that makes their fans nearly consider throwing themselves into moving traffic. Tragedy = OMG RATINGS~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 He's not going to stay dead god fucking dammit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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