RIPPA Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Andy Pettitte is retiring... again. His final start will fittingly be at home for "Mariano Rivera Day" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 If you build a pool in your stadium, be glad that swimming or diving in it is all the opposing team does after they win. Especially with the bad blood between both teams from that skirmish earlier in the season. "Go work for the field crew" they said. "You'll see free games" they said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 The amount of butthurt coming out of Arizona because the Dodgers jumped in the pool at Chase Field after clinching the division is ridiculous. Fuck 'em. I say if they win the Series this year, they rent the pool for the D-Backs home opener and have a bunch of guys there in full Dodger unis hanging out with the trophy floating around on an inner tube. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Andy Pettitte is retiring... again. His final start will fittingly be at home for "Mariano Rivera Day" Not for nothing, but Pettitte's post-playing career will be very interesting. By all accounts, he is a no questions asked Hall of Famer... but he's in the Mitchell Report. Does he get in? I know the idiocy of this statement, but he may be the cleanest "dirty" player of the steroids era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 BTW - I am very jealous of my Mom and Sister since they got tickets to Sunday's game. Of course Pettitte is very Terry Funk like so who knows if that will truly be his last game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 He was the only (one of the only) to play the "yes, i did it, to heal quicker" card, so no one hassles him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Bob Young ✔ @BobYoungTHI No truth to rumor #Dodgers Yasiel Puig needed four attempts to cross #DBacks pool before drug cartel gave him a hand. That... the... seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 By all accounts, he is a no questions asked Hall of Famer... but he's in the Mitchell Report. Does he get in? I know the idiocy of this statement, but he may be the cleanest "dirty" player of the steroids era. Say what? Anybody that spends 2 seconds looking at his resume knows he's not a HOF'er. Pettite has been decent for most of his career, occasionally good, rarely great. HOF starters should have more than 2 seasons with ERAs under 3.00. HOF starters should NOT have NINE seasons with ERAs over 4.00. For all the talk of Pettite being this awesome postseason pitcher, the reality is that he was the same guy in the postseason as the regular season (3.81 ERA) who was worse in the World Series (4.06 ERA) than the rest of the time - though "being the same guy" is a mild positive in his favor, given how some guys shrink up in the spotlight. An honest evaluation of Pettite's career reveals him to be a guy that piled up a bunch of wins because he was never awful while pitching for teams that had strong offenses and great bullpens. HOF'ers are supposed to have sustained stretches of greatness. Pettite never did that. He really had two great seasons - 1997 and then 2005 when he was roiding. How much credit do we want to give him for his postseason record? Do we really think Andy and his 4.06 ERA were better in the World Series than Greg Maddux and his 2.09 ERA? Maddux is considered something of a stinker in the postseason because of his 11-14 record when the reality is that he was better than Pettite. Pettite will probably get in because the voters will give him far too much credit and won't actually look at his career. But he's definitely NOT a "no questions asked" HOF'er and shouldn't even get in at all. From baseball reference: Black Ink Pitching - 7 (339), Average HOFer ≈ 40 Gray Ink Pitching - 103 (208), Average HOFer ≈ 185 Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 128 (60), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 43 (60), Average HOFer ≈ 50 Note that he's beneath HOF standards in all four areas except the "Monitor" where Pettite gets a gigantic boost from pitching in the postseason every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 He was the only (one of the only) to play the "yes, i did it, to heal quicker" card, so no one hassles him. I have no proof but I am 100% certain he's lying about that explanation and his amount of usage. First of all, it's worth remembering that Pettite essentially lied when he claimed that the "healing" incident in 2002 was the only time he used HGH. He also took his father's HGH in 2004 with the circumstances being a little murky as to whether he fraudulently obtained the HGH or not. The "healing" story has him using HGH in 2002. His best season came in 2005, after a full season in Houston with Clemens and the roster full of roidheads that the Astros had - and the admitted "other" HGH use. I suppose it's possible a 33-year old pitcher in the company of roidheads suddenly had his career best season, a full run-and-a-half better than his previous 7, without cheating but I'm skeptical. I'll give him credit though - "coming clean" the way he did worked a whole lot better for him than the methods other guys tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Anyone who argues Pettitte is a HOFer while arguing against Mussina is an idiot. I'd go no on Pettitte, and a rousing HELL YES on Moose. Via B-R's JAWS system, Pettitte is right around guys like Kevin Appier, Orel Hershiser, and Mark Langston. The only argument for him is TEH WINZ, which I think we've moved past by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I'm not sure I'd put Mussina in either but he's a better candidate than Pettite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I agree that Petitte was not being truthful about the amount of HGH/PED he did. But he was smart enough to say exactly the right thing "yes, i did it. To heal and help the team" escpecially in contrast with almost everyone who denied denied denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 This thread needs an Andy Pettitte vs Jack Morris debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 The Hall of Fame has been so watered down. It is very much the Hall of Very Good now. In my mind Hall of Famers are Ruth or Bonds or Griffey or Williams or Pedro Martinez. Those were dominant players for over a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Speaking of A-Rod, does he get any pay bonuses for Grand Slams? Because he just broke the career grand slams record by hitting a 24th. Breaking the tie with Lou Gehrig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 That 9th inning in Pittsburgh could not have more rotten. Nope not going to tie for 1st place with the Cards. Nope the Brewers aren't going to hold on to the lead to the Cards. And nope the Nats aren't going to gain any ground in the wild card. Thanks to a terrible Jody Mercer throw to 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Looks like a night for Piranesi to crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'm just happy to see young Mark Melancon has made the decision to play ball...if you know what I mean. And now that that's taken care of, all we need to do is wrap this game up in Milw.... MUJICAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Ah...The Brewers are bringing in Mike Blazek. Where do I know him from? That's right...good boy, Michael...good boy...now, back in your box: It's so good to see how eager everyone is to pitch in tonight. Including Odessa: Looks like a night for Piranesi to crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipGofern Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Thanks to a terrible Jody Mercer throw to 1st If only the throw had actually been to 1st. The only way Mario Morneau would've caught that throw was if he was munching popcorn somewhere in the fourth row. This season is quickly disintegrating into: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Melancon/Mujica could be quite the race to the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Speaking of A-Rod, does he get any pay bonuses for Grand Slams? Because he just broke the career grand slams record by hitting a 24th. Breaking the tie with Lou Gehrig. Nope - his only bonuses are for moving up the all time list.... thankfully That being said - he and Soriano are the only reason the Yanks still have a heartbeat in trying to snatch the 2nd Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggulator Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'm rooting for Pittsburgh but Billy Hamilton is beyond human. That run on the line drive in the 9th was crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I love that A-Rod is confusing the hell out of Yankee fans who hate him by playing well when they desperately needed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Hattrick Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Is there any chance that MLB will expand to 2 more teams and realign themselves like the NFL? 4 divisional winners and two wild cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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