The Nature Boy Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Red Sox have no other play right now as a management group then "paying a lot for a big name free agent" They have some good young, home grown talent too. Bogearts, Swihart, Shaw, Betts, Owens, E-Rod, Vasquez, Bradley. I'm feeling good about our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grilledcheese Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Can they find takers for Hanley and Pablo? $190MM in contracts for absolute dogshit play. I don't know if Ramirez is saleable at this point, and do you really want to be saddled with Sandoval for another year of zero offense and rapidly declining defense in the hopes he can fill the hole left by Ortiz' retirement? All the talent in the world, and he just can't stay away from the buffet long enough to maximize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Can they find takers for Hanley and Pablo? $190MM in contracts for absolute dogshit play. I don't know if Ramirez is saleable at this point, and do you really want to be saddled with Sandoval for another year of zero offense and rapidly declining defense in the hopes he can fill the hole left by Ortiz' retirement? All the talent in the world, and he just can't stay away from the buffet long enough to maximize it. I'd eat part of Hanley's contract and move him so you could slot Shaw at first. I'm willing to accept a 3rd in the AL East in 2016 if it sets us up for a division win in 2017 and down the road. Developing guys like Shaw will do that for us. I'd also eat part of Sandoval's contract, but I'd wonder who you slot at 3rd. Brock Holt? The Sox need another 2012 Dodgers to come along and take some of our bad contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I wouldn't take Pablo or Hanley on unless the Red Sox ate 80% of the contract AND gave a top 10 prospect. Just ew to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipGofern Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 People always say "I'd never take [insert name of big money free agent who is given a ludicrous contract and underachieves]" and yet teams continuously find suckers trade partners willing to take them off their hands. The Dodgers cleaned up Boston's last mess, the Tigers got a reprieve from Prince thanks to Texas, Texas returned the favor by relieving the Angels of Hamilton's contract, etc etc. I really don't think there's any such thing as an "untradeable contract" in this day and age. There's always somebody willing to give you a Get out of Jail Free Card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 But the Dodgers got Adrian Gonzalez out of that, who is at least a solid a starting 1B, which is what Fielder was this year as well, and the Hamilton deal was fucking atrocious for the Angels. And none of those contracts were as bad as what any team will have to take on for Hanley (coming off a -1.8 WAR season) and Pablo (-2.0 WAR). who were probably the 2 least valuable players in baseball last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It was Dombrowski who convinced Texas to take Prince's contract, maybe he can work the same magic for Hanley and/or Pablo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Mariners send Mark Trumbo to Orioles for Steve Clevenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Aren't the Angels paying most of Hamilton's contract though? They wanted him gone and quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The Rangers are only on the hook for something like $5 million total on Hamilton. That's just good business, even if he's only an average starter. At least with Fielder, Texas gave up a contract in Ian Kinsler to help balance the books a little bit. The Hanley/Pablo thing is another issue, because their markets were never crazy, they signed early, they both got overpaid, they both had dreadful years, and they both look like future DHs. If Boston were able to move either, they would need to pair one with a better asset (an aforementioned OF, probably), and still eat money...and they still probably wouldn't get much back. I mean, the Braves essentially gave up nothing to take on Bronson Arroyo's contract and a top 100 prospect in Touki Toussaint...and Arroyo was owed something like $13 million total. Moving either of those guys won't be an easy sell...unless they take on another bad contract in return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Bingo. The Sox have some prospects. so that's a plus. But the Sox are going to have to package prospects with those fat contracts to get rid of either Hanley or Panda. But honestly, I'm not certain 100% why you'd rush to move either right now - it's not like the Sox are set at those two positions otherwise. IF (giant if of course) Hanley can play 1B even passably then he's an upgrade offensively over the crud the Sox rolled out last year. Panda is Panda and...well...shrug...what else do the Sox have for 3B? Of course, one problem with trying to move Panda and Hanley is both can block trades to 3 teams (according to Cots' Contracts page, tho the 3 teams for either are not listed), so you have to hope they aren't blocking sugar daddies who would eat the contracts. On the bright side, with Papi retiring after 2016, the Sox can move one of them to DH in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Ben Cherington is probably laughing his ass off and enjoying his time away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 Nori Aoki to the Ms on a one year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The stove is getting downright lukewarm! Alonso/Rzepczynski to Oakland for Pomeranz/Torres Also, Brayan Pena got a two-year deal. That amazes me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Alonso/Rzepczynski to Oakland for Pomeranz/Torres All four of those players are left-handed. That is literally the most interesting aspect of the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Drew Pomeranz could be A Thing if he could ever stay healthy. Problem is, he really never has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Jeff Samardzija is throwing down the gauntlet telling teams he has $100 million on the table. That fucking better not be from the Cubs...I'm guessing it's Arizona since Cueto told them no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Jeff Samardzija is throwing down the gauntlet telling teams he has $100 million on the table. That fucking better not be from the Cubs...I'm guessing it's Arizona since Cueto told them no. LOL. Dude has a terrible year and teams are offering him $100m? Anybody that pays him anywhere close to that deserves whatever they get. Is it REALLY that hard to find a guy who will lead the league in hits allowed, earned runs, and home runs allowed for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The $100 million he's talking about is actually from the Carolina Panthers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Nori Aoki to the Ms on a one year deal So the Mariners outfield this year will consist of actual OUTFIELDERS. What a novel concept. Fucking Jack Z.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grilledcheese Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It's being reported that Los Angeles is considering offering Greinke 6 @ $210MM. Holy fucking fuck that's a lot of cheddar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Jeff Samardzija is throwing down the gauntlet telling teams he has $100 million on the table. That fucking better not be from the Cubs...I'm guessing it's Arizona since Cueto told them no. LOL. Dude has a terrible year and teams are offering him $100m? Anybody that pays him anywhere close to that deserves whatever they get. Is it REALLY that hard to find a guy who will lead the league in hits allowed, earned runs, and home runs allowed for you? For what it's worth, if you're going by the current dollar amount per WAR, he would be valued at close to $100 million. So we're talking 5/20. Who knows what last year meant in the grand scheme of things. Supposedly the White Sox pitching coach and Shark weren't a good fit and part of his success with the Cubs was how Bosio tunes his coaching to the needs of the player. I would put Shark closer to $80 million personally. An $80 million I hope that the Cubs don't spend on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The $100 million he's talking about is actually from the Carolina Panthers. See, now that's funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 For what it's worth, if you're going by the current dollar amount per WAR, he would be valued at close to $100 million. So we're talking 5/20. Who knows what last year meant in the grand scheme of things. Supposedly the White Sox pitching coach and Shark weren't a good fit and part of his success with the Cubs was how Bosio tunes his coaching to the needs of the player. I would put Shark closer to $80 million personally. An $80 million I hope that the Cubs don't spend on him. The reality is that he's a guy who's had one decent year as a starter, one very good year, on mediocre year, and one terrible year. If this were after 2014, maybe, MAYBE, you can justify paying him top dollar. But that year looks like an outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 He also doesn't have a ton of mileage on his arm and throws reeeeeally hard. Still some projection left in him, even going on 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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