Elsalvajeloco Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Yeah, there won't be any celebrity boxing type matchups going on anytime soon. So we can kill that noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 C'mon guys, keep up with the thread. We reached our Green Ranger quota several pages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I would like to see Punk vs. Del Rio. Anyway, if Punk is blown out of the water in his first fight I think they will lose interest. You'll have a large number of people going "oh come on, what a joke" and move on with their lives. If he somehow does win though? It'd be big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Kimbo got dusted by Seth Petruzelli and still drew big ratings on TUF several months later.Guess what? He got massacred by Roy Nelson on the show and his fight with Houston Alexander still drew 5.2 million viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 And that's when Houston Alexander's fans all went "dude, fuck that guy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 You're about two years off on that timeline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I would like to see Punk vs. Del Rio. Anyway, if Punk is blown out of the water in his first fight I think they will lose interest. You'll have a large number of people going "oh come on, what a joke" and move on with their lives. If he somehow does win though? It'd be big. It would be kind of sad funny sad (I can't make up my mind) if it became a tradition to have former WWE guys jerk the curtain at every UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Alright that's it I've kept coming back to this thread for 11 pages, but no more. I banish myself from reading anything CM Punk related until he debuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think the biggest thing I've gotten from all of this is UFC needs a minor leauge. If WEC was still around and Punk started off there, would that be better for him then him going straight to a UFC main card? That's the only fault I see with him signing with UFC. He has no place to build a record (against scrubs or not) before debuting with the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well, I get that part of it from a financial standpoint. I know he said it's not about the money or it "being the UFC", and I believe him. But at the same time, being 36, jumping straight to the UFC is going to maximize his personal earning potential in the limited window he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 What about putting him in there with another ex-sports star (like an ex-NFL) also trying to get into MMA? Not too many ex-NFL'ers at 170lb, although a few years off the juice can do wonders in that regard - Barry Bonds would probably have to bulk up to hit 170 these days. Eric Bischoff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So is Punk's first fight Cathal Pendred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think the biggest thing I've gotten from all of this is UFC needs a minor leauge. If WEC was still around and Punk started off there, would that be better for him then him going straight to a UFC main card? That's the only fault I see with him signing with UFC. He has no place to build a record (against scrubs or not) before debuting with the company. Did I wake up in 2009? Between this and the seniors division idea (which I assume came to a merciful end with Tito/Bonnar), people just need to let certain stuff go. First off, absolutely not to the actual question. You're not going to develop a man of that age on an extremely lower platform (with no visibility) especially when he's a bigger superstar than at least 80% of your roster. But I will elaborate more on that point a little later. Second, look at how UFC utilizes RFA and Legacy a. Those are the two defacto minor/feeder leagues anyway. b. Working with those two organizations shows me they are not interested in developing any talent long term. The rate at which they are bringing guys up is insane when you realize 1/2 of these fighters will circulate the prelims for a majority of their UFC tenure. A quarter of them will unceremoniously get bounced after 1 or 2 fights to never to be seen again because they started as injury replacements. The rest are prospects (undeveloped or not) who can actually make a name for themselves whether they challenge for a belt or not. c. The reason why UFC is so overextended now vs. when they had WEC is they are essentially trying to do the jobs regional/minor league/international orgs have failed to do. Not that you don't have organizations that don't sell tickets or have a clear fanbase. It's that minor MMA organizations usually don't have a platform big enough to reach a certain audience to captivate fans. Because the UFC has more than enough programming with roughly 90% or more of the top fighters in the world, it makes watching anyone below that level (excluding Bellator) optional viewing. You have more Rumble on the Rock, Cage Rage, pre early 2007 WEC, and ICON/SuperBrawl type promotions than ever. However, people do not really give a damn enough to watch them. Although a purpose of the minor league is to build talent, the main purpose should be legitimizing them on a platform where they can be more than faceless guy #3506 and ready for the top orgs to grab them for immediate use. It helped that Alistair Overeem fought in Pride, but Strikeforce only grabbed him based on the whole Ubereem internet campaign. If he was just some big, roided up washed up Pride vet, he would still be fighting on Martjin de Jong's mob money funded shows in western Europe. That or KSW. He would have never been brought back to defend a belt very few people knew he won. Plus, he would have never got the Lesnar payday after that. So if CM Punk already has that hardcore faction behind him (which is way bigger than Overeem's), why the hell would you demote him down to whatever bummy regional league? I mean that on a star building level and skillset development level. So they can fill whatever 500 or 1,000 seat venue they run? Ed Soares has connections with exotic venues that most other promotions would lose their ass running, but he has no real interest in being the scapegoat when things fail. This guy didn't know one of his fighters fainted during a bout and continued on because he was doing some other shit for the UFC. The problem is no one wants that responsibilty unless they know they have the pieces to either compete with UFC or at least Bellator. So trust is definitely involved here. Who the hell would run this minor league if they were owned by the UFC? "The MMA Org Angel of Death" Jeremy Lappen? If you don't like how Dana and Lorenzo run the UFC, you're definitely not going to like the guys they handpick to run a minor league organization. It has disaster written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So is Punk's first fight Cathal Pendred? How long does Dean Ambrose have use of that ambulance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 That can't be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think I just the polar axis just shifted a few meters under the pressure of FSWs twitter climax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So... I'm guessing that guy is good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Judging from the Twitter reaction from UFC guys after Punk's announcement of joining the promotion, MMA fighters seem to be bigger dicks than pro wrestlers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 He's a name, and it's a chance for every single one of the fighters to make a name for themselves by kicking his ass. They all SHOULD be talking shit trying to get a fight with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 He's a name, and it's a chance for every single one of the fighters to make a name for themselves by kicking his ass. They all SHOULD be talking shit trying to get a fight with him. So you're saying they don't mean it, but are trying to tell a story in order to increase business? Sounds familiar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Pendred is already fighting Sean Spencer on 1/18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitlick Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Surely there's no way an Athletic Commision allows Pendred/Punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's a troll job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Kimbo got dusted by Seth Petruzelli and still drew big ratings on TUF several months later. Guess what? He got massacred by Roy Nelson on the show and his fight with Houston Alexander still drew 5.2 million viewers. I should have clarified. I meant if he gets blown out in his first fight I can't imagine people buying a second one. People will watch if it's on free TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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