The Vince Documentary

[Craig H]

26 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

I just remembered that Heyman's dad was a lawyer and it clearly rubbed off so Vince probably had him there to help him "remember" certain things

Simmons has a podcast out about the making of this and it wasn’t just Heyman who was there. Vince had multiple people there who were helping him remember the past because he just had no idea at times. You only got to hear Heyman in  that one instance though, but it would happen a lot where people would shout in the distance.

[Craig H]

 

[Curt McGirt]

The only defense McMahon can really have to any of that is "I wish I hadn't done that and you found out". The "three brains" thing is the most telling part of all, that's where what I said about sociopaths usually lie but he's leaving it all out there is at. And one of those brains being him thinking about sex is not just telling but damning. As is him putting "sexually active" in his short list of super important things about his nature. I'm surprised they didn't bring up the part in the Playboy interview where he says one of his first sexual experiences is him pushing dirt and leaves into a young girl's vagina, it's kind of irrelevant but just strange enough to be relevant? And I suppose it is possible he really didn't remember doing the interview so that first comment he makes could be honest. He definitely was spacing on some of the angles he did, and that kind of makes the filmmakers look like they're pushing him too hard unfortunately when they're just being like "that was too crazy to forget" and he is just really old. 

[Curt McGirt]

This also brings up the question of if he seriously might have dissociative identity disorder, formerly known as multiple personality disorder. 

[odessasteps]

One of the questions I got yesterday was "did he really have sex with his mother?" 

[SirSmUgly]

2 hours ago, Craig H said:

I noticed it in season 1 of Succession and this documentary really cemented it for me - Succession is more about WWE than Fox and the Murdoch family and the producers of Succession had no idea.

 

In episode five, I half expected a clip of Shane doing an L-to-tha-OG style rap to try and impress Vince at a backstage meeting. 

I have a lot of thoughts about that episode, but yeah, Shane is basically Kendall. 

[Curt McGirt]

Just remembered maybe the lowest blow Shane received from his father: not helping him buy the UFC for a song and let him run it, just because it wasn't wrestling. Or so he said. Could it be that he didn't want his son to possibly be more successful than him in a similar avenue? Hmmm...

Talking about his past towards the end and what went down in the household Vince said "incest". Even if in passing, that came out of his mouth. 

[Greggulator]

The first scene of Part 6 where he talks about his multiple brains and one is thinking about sex... that's so fucking chilling. His absolute lack of empathy about the multiple wrestlers who died early and refusal to take accountability is fucked. While it's good they're taking concussions and addiction seriously, Vince flat out says it's all because it's good for business. I mean, he's not wrong... but you should be doing this for the well-being of your performers before anything else. The stuff about Taker and Lesnar is so fucked.

Even though we know almost all of this stuff already, seeing Vince and etc. comment on what they participated in is something else. 

The thing that comes through all of this is that Vince is a very disturbed and damaged human being. He went from having a horribly abusive childhood to becoming involved with his father's business, which is built around gigantic personalities and kayfabe and backstabbing and lawless. When you have that type of lifelong desire to win, and you do win, and you're now the master of a universe you created that also somehow falls under the radar, and you managed to even beat the feds in a trial... you're just going to think that accountability isn't even a thing. That's going to lead to absolutely disgusting behavior, like  what's in the lawsuit. 

 

[DreamBroken]

Overall this felt like some of those A&E biographies at times focusing on the history of WWE with all that's been gone over already. Enjoyed some of the Shane O parts the most and felt worth the watch.

I think my favorite part overall was Vince saying he didn't remember a 99 lawsuit with Sable at all, then they show a clip of it coming up in storyline in 2003, and Vince just says "All I remember is.... she came back to work". Hysterical.

Also episode 2 opening up with Stand BACK!

Edited September 27, 2024 by DreamBroken

[Curt McGirt]

What amuses me about the whole "he came up from nothing" talking point is, yeah, he was dirt poor, but then he walked right into what will be generational wealth. Sure it's a family business but it's more Rockefeller than Dave's Hardware if you know what I mean. 

I keep remembering crazy shit. Undertaker being all "YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY CHAIRSHOTS DURR HURR HURR". Dude, just put your hands up and it's OKAY. You can still do literally anything else aside from take a nude blast to the noggin. And then they show him get concussed and forget an entire 30 minute match. At least he admits it... unlike what comes out of Vince's mouth. 

[tbarrie]

On 9/25/2024 at 8:18 PM, supremebve said:

Mr. T. is one of the five or so celebrities from my childhood who literally could not be famous at any other point in history.  Number one on this list, The California Raisins.  

There were four California Raisins. I guess the Raisins were numbers one through four and T was number five?

[odessasteps]

Someone mentioned a lack of Piper and Savage. Better to downplay Savage, unless they were actually going to ask Vince about the rumor once and for all. 

[Curt McGirt]

Wonder who it would piss off more to ask that question to, Steph, Vince, or Shane. You can imagine any of the three tossing the mic and walking off, but I can see Shane wanting to fight someone over it, Steph getting mad and yelling, and Vince... maybe answering?

But yeah a whole lack of Randy except for Bischoff bringing him up. It was also odd hearing somebody just call him "Randy". 

[supremebve]

Episode 2 thoughts

Saturday Night's Main Event is what hooked me on wrestling.  

There is literally no way whatsoever that Hulk Hogan wasn't going to win that match.  There is no reason they keep telling this lie.  They are trying to tell me that they booked Andre the Giant, who couldn't move, and let him decide whether or not he was going to win or lose.  That's nonsense, it's always been nonsense, and will always be nonsense to anyone with more than a brain cell and a half.

Vince sitting in front of the WWF logo and saying "The WWF is home of drug-free sports and entertainment," and then saying that Hulk Hogan should tell the truth is the epitome of Vince McMahon's logic.

I'm surprised they brought up the Jimmy Snuka murder, but it's negligent to not going into more detail.

Once again Tony Atlas seems to be the voice of reason.  

Nothing makes you seem guilty more than saying, "If I did it..." Vince learned nothing from O.J.

I take that back.  Nothing makes you seem more guilty than wearing a neck brace to court.

Eric Bischoff's opinion of WCW before Hogan says so much about who he is and why they ultimately failed.  He only wanted to beat them at their own game.  He had no desire to ever play his own game.

Hulk Hogan lied...not the Hulk Hogan I know

 

[Curt McGirt]

They sell the Andre line like if he didn't lay down for the whole three, he would have won the match 

[supremebve]

11 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

They sell the Andre line like if he didn't lay down for the whole three, he would have won the match 

They spend the entire time talking about how brutal the schedule was and how they were wrestling pretty much every day. Then they bring up Andre and how he was so injured he could barely move and then say,  "but it was up to him whether or not he would put Hogan over." So you were going to let the guy who could not move be your world champion and wrestle 300+ dates a year,  based on nothing but his mood that day.  Its the most unnecessary lie from two of the most unnecessary ass liars in history. 

[Curt McGirt]

And, Vince just paid for his fucking back surgery. Yeah sure, Boss wasn't gonna do business though. 

Edited September 27, 2024 by Curt McGirt

[twiztor]

On 9/25/2024 at 11:52 AM, hammerva said:

Also loved the "openly gay Pat Patterson" line from Bruce Pritchard.  While there was hundreds of jokes about Pat in his career they never flat out told people he was gay.  And they can say they didn't do because of gay panic but I think the panic was from them thinking that the media would pile it on a lot more

i remember when the Network launched, and WWE put out this "Legends House" show where a bunch of WWF old timers all lived in a house together. One episode had Pat "come out" publicly and they acted like it was some huge revelation.

[The Green Meanie]

Wife and I binged the whole thing last night. I didn't hear/learn anything really new, but wife really digged it cause she hasn't really been following the story very much.

I was SHOCKED that Hulk finally admitted that he ratted out Jesse Ventura.

Hulk and Austin really look bad coming out of this. Needless to say, Vince's defense on some things were not the angles I was expecting him to take.
(I said the following multiple times:)

[Firebreaker Chip]

Bruce Prichard is about as low as it gets, what a wretched existence

[odessasteps]

22 minutes ago, Firebreaker Chip said:

Bruce Prichard is about as low as it gets, what a wretched existence

I heard at least 3 different people make the Tom/Bruce joke over the weekend when I was at the HOF in Iowa. 

[hammerva]

And again the think that makes the Vince comment about Taker suffering from "psychological shock" at WM 30 that is so dumb/weird is that from all stories Vince went to the hospital with Taker after he passed out in the backstage area.    So he knows that Taker was suffering some physical issue at the time.   I mentioned earlier that when he talked about difference between him raiding the territories and Turner going after the WWF was completely different,  he said something that really resembled what JD Vance said in his bullshit about Springfield Ohio.  Maybe this is an example of that although it is pretty dumb place to do it

 

[odessasteps]

For those interested, JC reviews episode one 

Spoiler

 

 

[Curt McGirt]

4 hours ago, odessasteps said:

I heard at least 3 different people make the Tom/Bruce joke over the weekend when I was at the HOF in Iowa. 

What's this? 

I watched the Chuck & Tito episode of ESPN's 30 for 30 last night and it made me wonder if Shane could have even (to use Bret's term) pulled the sword from the stone with UFC. They were so broke that only Liddell and Ortiz's feud and work in the Octagon got people interested, besides placating the commissions and bringing out The Ultimate Fighter. Shane would have had to have been a Vince (or Dana) level booker to survive. We could have possibly had the death of the federation.

Edited September 27, 2024 by Curt McGirt

[odessasteps]

Some variation of “I’d take a bullet for Dr Tom, even if it was meant for Bruce.”