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4 minutes ago, DEAN said:

Yeah, I was figuring an NXT number going head to head with the World Series.

Same here - and I just saw Dave make an excellent point on Twitter too, the overall average was brought down by the last half hour once word spread about the no no, meaning that had something literally historic not been happening they might have snuck a few more households in

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Still feeling very pro-AEW even though I also thought the show kinda sucked and am eternally frustrated by the number of people on the roster, only because I think they have some real hot hands they aren't playing and are cooling off as a result. Glad we're getting Hobbs-Wardlow at Full Gear, but I worry for Pretty Ricky! Don't lose my boy in the shuffle! They really do need to start cementing some new people in the upper and upper-mid card at this point. I could do with less Jay Lethal, more Athena, and I think we are at the exact right amount of Orange Cassidy. The booking is all over the place, but the truth is, I would rather watch a show I mostly enjoy and then complain about what doesn't work for me on the internet (which is how it has always been, since time immemorial) than to watch something I mostly don't enjoy and then complain about how much I still don't like it. I think AEW is in a place in the cycle of fan consumption where of course the shine is off, and of course people are complaining more loudly than they have before, I think this would be the case even if it were a TV show about dragons or sad horse-men or whatever. If by this time next year, every Dynamite is as bad as this one and there is like 75% less Johnny Gargano in WWE, I am open to reconsidering.

I thought the Colt Cabana thing was funny, at least. I like Punk and I really do think his presence will be missed (he and Bryan are what finally lured me into watching AEW), but I can understand people in the company feeling pretty salty about everything he brought into the locker room and it does put kind of a nice bookend on things, even if Colt almost killed Jericho (good catch, Daniel Garcia!). I have zero feelings about Jeff Jarrett, somehow, as long as he is on screen significantly less than, like, Wheeler Yuta and does not result in any King of the Mountain matches happening for any reason at all. 

As for the claims that this still very popular wrestling program is in a death spiral, I say only: ACCUSATIONS! FALSE ACCUSATIONS!

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I think that adding someone like Jarrett is going to be a home run for the company overall. I know, call me crazy - but Jarrett does have a good mind for the business as he has been in it or around it since childhood. I'd dare argue HE has more experience as a promoter than Tony Khan does. Maybe this is what Tony and AEW need is just a few more people to funnel in ideas and such. Even with such a large roster, I have to imagine it's hard for one single man to try and do everything. At least back in the day Vince had Pat and Bruce to facilitate ideas to - whereas here - I don't know if Tony has anybody that he's willing to work that closely with. We don't really know in concrete how the creative necessarily works in the back (is it TK only booking these shows and angles? Is it a collab with the talent? Do the coaches like Jerry Lynn, Billy Gunn, etc. offer any kind of input) so I think this may actually help the company. 

I also don't expect to see Jeff Jarrett holding the AEW World title hostage like he did the NWA World title in TNA, so that also lets it slide for me. 

They really missed a prime opportunity to bring out Chuck Palumbo and it makes me sad. If you ever do turn Daddy Ass on the Acclaimed, bring back Chucky P one time only so him and Billy can challenge for the titles as a blow off of sorts. Fuck it, let's get really weird.

Also, we should be talking more about Jamie Hayter and Toni Storm. I wish they would've given these two ladies a chance to be the main focus of the feud, because I have no doubt that a BANGER!!!! is incoming at Full Gear. I almost say screw it and let Jamie be the one to beat Toni, but I wonder if it's too early in her reign to lose. Hasn't even had a PPV title defense yet.

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10 minutes ago, The Idiot King said:

I have zero feelings about Jeff Jarrett, somehow, as long as he is on screen significantly less than, like, Wheeler Yuta and does not result in any King of the Mountain matches happening for any reason at all. 

If given the choice between a Casino anything match or King of the Mountain, I think I'd prefer the latter.

Anyway, uh, do I need to listen to this interview to figure out what's being implied? 

 

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5 minutes ago, Krone Meltzer said:

We don't really know in concrete how the creative necessarily works in the back (is it TK only booking these shows and angles? Is it a collab with the talent? Do the coaches like Jerry Lynn, Billy Gunn, etc. offer any kind of input) so I think this may actually help the company. 

There was a clip going around a day or two ago of Billy on a podcast and he was on one about the kids not wanting advice. Don't know how much to take from that though because most dudes of a certain age sound like that to me. 

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1 hour ago, HarryArchieGus said:

A superhighway search renders Meltzer providing a less insidious and, perhaps, more accurate take on the Effy-Jarrett situation...

EFFY Weighs In On His Match With Jeff Jarrett in GCW, Talks Creating Moments With Bigger Stars

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On his match with Jarrett at The WRLD on GCW: “I have to brag on myself. Now that he ran back to Vince (McMahon), and maybe we’re doing a Memphis storyline where this goes longer, but I think I deserve one more match. I was at the top of the mountain. I did not die to the guitar shot that happened at Hammerstein Ballroom. I no sold a guitar shot, I’ve never seen it done from Jeff Jarrett. Second, I took The Stroke with a guitar around my neck, I’ve never seen it done before. Everybody tried to talk me out of it because it’s very dangerous, but I said, ‘I have to have this moment.’ Everyone asked, ‘How is Jeff Jarrett?’ I got the full Jeff Jarrett experience. I got to fight him, I got to lose to him, and I got to have him decide to change the finish halfway through a show. You have to get the full Jeff Jarrett and when you look back on the memoir you go, ‘Well, he got me too,’ me and Vince have that in common now."

Effy was supposed to go over at Hammerstein, but then Jarrett pulled bullshit and said "I'll let you beat me in 2 out of 3, kid" before going over and skipping town

Same thing Hogan did with Shawn Michaels at SummerSlam 2005

Remind me - who won the Best of 3 series between Hogan and Shawn?

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2 hours ago, Hayabusa said:

Haven't watched, just catching clips at lunch

 

But was this pre-planned to crash and burn like this?

Judging by Young Danny G running to throw his body in the way I guess not.

 

Thoughts on Jarrett I feel like I've said this a bunch but to me he was perfect as a US/IC champ in 96/97 but never needed him to be a top guy. I think he'd be good hand back stage to get some of the GOGOGO types to understand the need to slow down. And as I said before I think he'd be a great opponent for Kenny Omega as he was with Angle as far as reeling him in a bit. But he's in charge of live events right? Maybe he can explain to Tony K that their are more than three cities in California, They are heading back to Inglewood/LA with out hitting Sactown, Bay Area, Anaheim, or San diego

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2 hours ago, chriskbrown50 said:

FTR needs the belts - but not sure if you can move off the Acclaimed so fast. The merch numbers may be huge.  Last time a new wrestling "thing" started getting mainstream cross over? and its pure AEW too. And I love FTR. Most of all, you can tell that Billy Gunn is having stupid fun

The time to put the belts on FTR was May. It's too late now. It's Acclaimed's moment and they need to ride the momentum.

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They have three sets of belts. They can defend them forever. There's no practical need for FTR to go anywhere near Acclaimed unless it's a draw finish like Backlund vs Race or whatever. A team with three sets of belts should be spending all of their time defending them.

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I'm a little befuddled by the strong reaction to Jarrett. Don't get me wrong top of the card Jarrett is the worst. But he hasn't been in or around any world titles in 15 years. When he's in the middle of the card 9 times out of 10 he has a fun quaint character. MMA Jarrett feuding with Kurt in TNA was money. Jarrett has also had a little reinvention with the GCW Last Outlaw character. But make no mistake about it, he's on screen for a one and done story for a single PPV. He's not gonna be a full time active wrestler. No more than 3 or 4 times a year will he wrestle. He's at most gonna have the Sting on screen presentation.

But primarily he's there to be an office worker. And as such, I think it's a great move. He worked for WWE in a Live Event capacity for about a year and a half total. He worked in a Live Event capacity for TNA for 15 years. He's not there to book. He's there to help grow, brand, and execute as an office worker helping chart the Live Events. And maybe he also kicks in as a coach or agent. And again, he's a great choice for that. He has 15+ years relating to the new generation of X-Division style workers in TNA. He's old school but at the same time not anti new school.

He's a great pick up. People really gotta get over the TNA narratives. TNA died a long time ago.

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2 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

He worked in a Live Event capacity for TNA for 15 years.

TNA ran one show a week from the same location for 5 years, and they only started running house shows around 2007. Jarrett was out of the company by 2011.

What on earth are you talking about

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I think Jarrett being there on screen is more hilarious than anything, and probably a pretty good pickup behind the scenes.

Like many things TNA, I think the case against him is overstated. Once Sting was fully on board they were building him to be the tippy top guy by that BFG and once Kurt was there Jarrett had pretty much been supplanted as a potential title holder. If people are still holding onto old takes over him not doing more for AJ or Monty or whoever prior to that in early early TNA, whatever but I don't have the energy for that. 

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9 hours ago, Log said:

I'd personally go with FTR just barely squeaking out a win in a classic match, showing Acclaimed a ton of respect (putting them way over in the loss),  then Acclaimed winning the belts back later when FTR are done with the belt collector thing.

I would have had FTR vs Acclaimed at Full Gear with the Acclaimed winning. Then build to a rematch at Winter is coming that Acclaimed win again and then have FTR start questioning are they really the best tag team in the world. This could lead to Dax doing promos about his family and how much longer do they have in the business and if they can't win the big one (only titles that matter to them) is it time to hang it up (crisis of faith in themselves despite them being triple champs). This would lead to the 3rd match where they finally win. That would give the Acclaimed a nice long run and complete the belt collector storyline with FTR. It would be AEW's #1 fued. 

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16 minutes ago, Dolphman 3000 said:

TNA ran one show a week from the same location for 5 years, and they only started running house shows around 2007. Jarrett was out of the company by 2011.

What on earth are you talking about

They ran the biggest building in Alabama for their first ever show / taped week 2. Then they wen to the Asylum for 100 weeks. Around week 75 they also added in Orlando shows for Fox Sports Net. After like weekly PPV 110 they went Orlando only. But you still had to schedule and market and do promotions with Universal Studios. Then in 2007 they started touring. You don't think that takes any knowledge or skill? That he didn't learn anything and brings nothing to the table? You think The Impact Zone just filled it's self for Matt Bentley matches? Just because they were in the same location doesn't mean there was no work to be done in a Live Event capacity.

It wasn't the same as a WWE Touring schedule. But it's the second best you're gonna get in this country in the last 21 years (not counting AEW). And I'd say that's a good get. Global Force toured minor ague baseball stadiums. Ra Ka King was his thing in India too. You're showing your lack of knowledge with that above comment.

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I'm kind of locked into thinking about "In-N-Out" AEW vs "Burger King" AEW. As I brought up in the Navel Gazing thread.

In-N-Out AEW is a business, but content to be a smaller business, focused on maximum quality, serving a passionately loyal hardcore big niche. Not afraid to let their freak flag fly.

Burger King AEW is a "challenger brand" seeking a much broader appeal, often by being a pale imitation of the leading brand or pandering to a more LCD demographic by leaning really hard into catchphrases, nostalgia pops, and so on.

Orange Cassidy crashing and burning into Satnam on the tope was, in my opinion, maximum In-N-Out AEW. 

Bringing in Jeff Jarrett, in any capacity, however... He's the third most Burger King guy they could have possibly brought in (after Russo and Eric). 

It bodes ill for fans like me, who love the early and slightly weirder, warmer,  and more innovative iteration of All Elite. 

Does it bode well for AEW as a challenge brand? Time, I suppose, will tell.

i hope, very sincerely, for maximum success. My big worry is that this is the first big step in AEW moving away from something that fans like me can't miss, into something we can take or leave.

Mox in AEW has been very In-N-Out, despite him being a former WWE superstar. Renee and Saraya felt pretty Burger King, though. Ethan Page seems, too, more like a pale imitation of something from the leading brand than someone letting their freak flag fly, so far at least.

I am gonna quote HarryArchieGus here: "The Birthday Bash had a tired and awkward Mack-Mann feel to it. I was watching Bowens and Caster shill their shit wondering how long before the crowd turns them heel again."

 Yep. The Acclaimed getting over organically was pure In-N-Out. They are in danger of pushing it into a pretty Burger King place now, however.

Cabana vs Jericho was a good example of what I love about AEW. Particularly the welcome back chants. PCO would have been more fun, but not by much. Too bad about that horrible botch.

There were a couple of great bumps in the 3-way. Generally, the actual wrestling is going to be the saving grace for fans like me. They could possibly screw that up, though. I personally liked it more when it was almost all clean finishes, like the ghost of Giant Baba was helping with the booking.

Nyla is genuinely funny on Twitter. A treasure. Hopefully she'll get there on the mic sooner or later.

That Strickland/Billy angle on Halloween was pure Burger King. Not sure where I stand on Rick Ross. Celebrity angles seem pretty damned BK, but he was pretty good in this one.

The House of Black presentation has always been more than a little BK, but Brody King, Buddy Matthews, and Julia Hart are all good in the ring. So it more or less balances out.

Joe vs Cage was the good stuff. 

Shibata showing up (and not going overboard with explaining who he is) was the *least* Burger King thing they could possibly have done! Redeemed the show, for me personally.

I guess I am OK if this is where things are headed. AEW is no longer the big indie family and friends promotion they started out as. Complaining about it overmuch would do as much good as complaining that my daughters refuse to stay cute little girls forever. They are 11 and 7 now, and they grow smarter, stronger, more independent every day. It's different in that I still love them with every bit of my heart and always will no matter what. Obviously.

Is AEW growing beyond the company I loved also inevitable? Maybe? So maybe I am not going to be quite so passionate about Burger King AEW... But I don't resent them going for success in this way. As long as we are still getting insane Darby bumps, Big Meaty Men Slapping Meat, Jamie Hayter, Hikaru Shida, Shibata coming down that aisle, Takeshita coming back, Bryan fighting, Kingston talking from the heart, etc etc etc, I doubt even Double J will be able to turn me completely against this company. 

 

 

 

 

 

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It's actually way harder to run the same venue constantly because you have a limited fanbase to pool from (outside of your tourist-heavy areas, which is why it was smart of them to go to Orlando). Burn an audience locally when you're running there weekly/bi-weekly and you might as well salt the earth because it's almost impossible to come back from that.

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1 minute ago, Stefanie Without Stefanie said:

It's actually way harder to run the same venue constantly because you have a limited fanbase to pool from (outside of your tourist-heavy areas, which is why it was smart of them to go to Orlando). Burn an audience locally when you're running there weekly/bi-weekly and you might as well salt the earth because it's almost impossible to come back from that.

This is why Buddy Rose might be the best wrestler of all time.

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4 minutes ago, Gordlow said:

I'm kind of locked into thinking about "In-N-Out" AEW vs "Burger King" AEW. As I brought up in the Navel Gazing thread.

In-N-Out AEW is a business, but content to be a smaller business, focused on maximum quality, serving a passionately loyal hardcore big niche. Not afraid to let their freak flag fly.

Burger King AEW is a "challenger brand" seeking a much broader appeal, often by being a pale imitation of the leading brand or pandering to a more LCD demographic by leaning really hard into catchphrases, nostalgia pops, and so on.

Orange Cassidy crashing and burning into Satnam on the tope was, in my opinion, maximum In-N-Out AEW. 

Bringing in Jeff Jarrett, in any capacity, however... He's the third most Burger King guy they could have possibly brought in (after Russo and Eric). 

It bodes ill for fans like me, who love the early and slightly weirder, warmer,  and more innovative iteration of All Elite. 

Does it bode well for AEW as a challenge brand? Time, I suppose, will tell.

i hope, very sincerely, for maximum success. My big worry is that this is the first big step in AEW moving away from something that fans like me can't miss, into something we can take or leave.

Mox in AEW has been very In-N-Out, despite him being a former WWE superstar. Renee and Saraya felt pretty Burger King, though. Ethan Page seems, too, more like a pale imitation of something from the leading brand than someone letting their freak flag fly, so far at least.

I am gonna quote HarryArchieGus here: "The Birthday Bash had a tired and awkward Mack-Mann feel to it. I was watching Bowens and Caster shill their shit wondering how long before the crowd turns them heel again."

 Yep. The Acclaimed getting over organically was pure In-N-Out. They are in danger of pushing it into a pretty Burger King place now, however.

Cabana vs Jericho was a good example of what I love about AEW. Particularly the welcome back chants. PCO would have been more fun, but not by much. Too bad about that horrible botch.

There were a couple of great bumps in the 3-way. Generally, the actual wrestling is going to be the saving grace for fans like me. They could possibly screw that up, though. I personally liked it more when it was almost all clean finishes, like the ghost of Giant Baba was helping with the booking.

Nyla is genuinely funny on Twitter. A treasure. Hopefully she'll get there on the mic sooner or later.

That Strickland/Billy angle on Halloween was pure Burger King. Not sure where I stand on Rick Ross. Celebrity angles seem pretty damned BK, but he was pretty good in this one.

The House of Black presentation has always been more than a little BK, but Brody King, Buddy Matthews, and Julia Hart are all good in the ring. So it more or less balances out.

Joe vs Cage was the good stuff. 

Shibata showing up (and not going overboard with explaining who he is) was the *least* Burger King thing they could possibly have done! Redeemed the show, for me personally.

I guess I am OK if this is where things are headed. AEW is no longer the big indie family and friends promotion they started out as. Complaining about it overmuch would do as much good as complaining that my daughters refuse to stay cute little girls forever. They are 11 and 7 now, and they grow smarter, stronger, more independent every day. It's different in that I still love them with every bit of my heart and always will no matter what. Obviously.

Is AEW growing beyond the company I loved also inevitable? Maybe? So maybe I am not going to be quite so passionate about Burger King AEW... But I don't resent them going for success in this way. As long as we are still getting insane Darby bumps, Big Meaty Men Slapping Meat, Jamie Hayter, Hikaru Shida, Shibata coming down that aisle, Takeshita coming back, Bryan fighting, Kingston talking from the heart, etc etc etc, I doubt even Double J will be able to turn me completely against this company. 

 

 

 

 

 

Tony Khan talked about AEW being a "challenger brand" in that Ariel Helwani interview.

https://youtu.be/9qDsab_GrvQ

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1 minute ago, Matt D said:

This is why Buddy Rose might be the best wrestler of all time.

How much of a modifier are you granting that he taped practically everything and his recordings became available, for those who want to debate you?

(Not me. I like Buddy Rose.)

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2 minutes ago, Stefanie Without Stefanie said:

How much of a modifier are you granting that he taped practically everything and his recordings became available, for those who want to debate you?

(Not me. I like Buddy Rose.)

You need to be a rampant egomaniac to be the best wrestler of all time?

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Just now, Matt D said:

You need to be a rampant egomaniac to be the best wrestler of all time?

Well it sure doesn't hurt!

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