Raziel Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, odessasteps said: I guess its possible Jon and Dany form an alliance to fight the White walkers, which would allow the dragons to help make the Valyrean swords. You still need magic and an above Master blacksmith. And of course, actual records of how they were made would help, but unless there's a "restore 1000 year old ash to book form" spell, that's not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just had scary thought: what if Night King got control of The Zombified Mountain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Raziel403 said: And of course, actual records of how they were made would help, but unless there's a "restore 1000 year old ash to book form" spell, that's not likely. Shhhhhh! You've just spoiled why Bram the Three Eyed Raven is essential to the story! Why do you need to restore the book when you've got a mother fucker that can travel through time and recover the secret by warging into the past and watching Valyrian steel smithing techniques first hand? The pieces of recovering the art are already there. Now we have to see if they can be put together so that the swords are forged well in advance of Snowpocalypse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Wait...is the Mountain a zombie in the "dead" sense or in the "chemically lobotomized by a madman" sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Just had scary thought: what if Night King got control of The Zombified Mountain? I'm praying that Cleganestein's means of creation prevents him from becoming a wight. Cleganestein vs. Hodor-wight in a steel cage MUST HAPPEN~! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 That raises an intriguing warging/time travel question: when you go back in time, how much time elapses? Is it 1:1? Or can you go into the past for X time and return but only a few seconds have passed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basara Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 5 hours ago, J.T. said: Poor Tommen. If his mother had been there to console him, he probably wouldn't have jumped.... Not that Cersei was all that broken hearted about Tommen's death. Burn him and scatter his ashes where Margaery died? Petty much? That was your son and your only surviving child, you asshole. It is terrifying to think that as time goes by, Cersei will probably cherish Joffrey's memory more than she does Tommen's. Which brings us to the fact that Cersei is an unfettered monster and will make for a horrible queen. The only thing that kept her sadistic and homicidal megalomania in check so far was her love for her kids and now they're all dead. Her first unofficial act as kinda sorta Queen was to have a nun tortured and / or sexually assaulted by Cleganestein. Keep it classy, Your Highness. Irony is ironic. Cersei was prepared to kill Tommen as a child rather than let him be captured or killed by Stannis during the Battle of The Blackwater, only to inadvertently kill Tommen as an adult while snuffing her political enemies at once during the trial.... Hmmm... maybe she knew that Tommen would snuff himself and counted on him doing just that in order to justify seizing the crown? Nah.. she's not that smart... but she IS that ruthless and probably saw Tommen as just as much of a political rival as Margaery and the High Sparrow.... Hmmmm, again... Am I giving Cersei too much credit or not enough credit? I won't know until next season. I don't think she counted on him killing himself. If that was the plan she would have just let him go to the trial and get blown up. More chance of him dying in the explosion then assuming he'd off himself. I'm guessing shes just so far gone at this point that it didn't affect her like her last 2 kids who died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 hours ago, piranesi said: Wait...is the Mountain a zombie in the "dead" sense or in the "chemically lobotomized by a madman" sense? I seem to recall it being confirmed in a previous episode that the Mountain had indeed died from his poisoned wounds shortly after he crushed the Red Viper's skull, but no one was ever informed of it... at least not in the books... In the television show, everyone seems to know that "Ser Robert the Silent" is actually The Mountain and I suppose they assume that he received the antidote that does not exist in the novels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I think the fact she had that outfit made is a clue that she had at least given up on the idea of her children. She was clearly planning to take power and in her mind was already living in a "post-being-a-mother" world. I don't think she expected him to kill himself, but she had also resigned herself to the madness of that prophecy and had just stopped fighting it. Tommen, to her, was already dead. It was just a matter of where/when. Her reaction to his death was so much less than the other two because she had exhausted her ability to fight what she saw as inevitable and had even lost her ability to mourn it. She is now essentially a living vengeance demon whose vengeance is against the world itself. Jaime should have stuck with Brienne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 She has definitely crossed into Grimm/Disney Evil Queen territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, Basara said: I don't think she counted on him killing himself. If that was the plan she would have just let him go to the trial and get blown up. More chance of him dying in the explosion then assuming he'd off himself. I'm guessing shes just so far gone at this point that it didn't affect her like her last 2 kids who died. She was obviously motherly enough to send Ser Robert there to keep Tommen from attending the trial and getting reduced to vapor, but not enough to have Ser Robert stay long enough to keep Tommen from swan diving from the balcony or be there herself to at least feed Tommen some line of bullshit about how the Sparrow and Margaery had to go for the sake of the crown "because they are using your faith to blind you to the truth" or somesuch bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Three things I forgot. 1. Not enough love for the fucking king sized unruffled Librarian dude at The Citadel. He MUST have a recurring role next season. 2. Melisandre bounces South after being banished from Winterfell. Will she return to the North to a full pardon when the shit starts to hit the fan... or will she set up shop in King's Landing... or worse? 3. Benjen could not pass into the forest. So he's a demi-wight, then? So he didn't really survive all this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I have a feeling that if he hadn't taken that last step, Tommen was going to be spending a lot of time on playdates with the Mountain anyway. Or at least a lot of time staring at the doorway where the Mountain is standing to "protect him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Chapter One: Eminent Domain & The Crown or So You've Decided To Destroy A Cathedral By Using Wildfire. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigertooth Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 5 hours ago, Raziel403 said: Yes, even though the show specifically stated that no one on Westeros can actually reforge an existing blade, let alone forge a new one. If there was even the steel around. Who reforged Ice into Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Is there a picture anywhere of Clegane's mangled face unmasked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I think we are overlooking what a wild card Arya actually is in all this. I mean I do not think she is going directly back to Winterfell given her trip to deal with Walder Frey. I think she will go wherever the list tells her to. If anyone is going to kill Baelish, Tyrion and Varys I think it will be her. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she manages all 3. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Baelish, Tyrion and Varys aren't on the list. I was going to put a picture of Robbie E and Robbie T here but the only ones I could find were massive. Cersei, the Mountain and the Hound are, and well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UoHI7Ch5Ng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Oh, I forgot that three of her names are all in one place and nearby. But they're also not bad. Stupid little psycho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 2 hours ago, tigertooth said: Who reforged Ice into Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail? According to Tywin, a blacksmith from Volantis. Tywin also said that there were only 3 Blacksmith's in the entire world that can reforge Valyrian Steel. Whilst there are only 7 named swords, there's about 200 or so unnamed blades in the world belonging to lesser houses, along with some stuff in the Citadel (not enough for a sword). There's also Euron's armor, if they kept it from the books. But yeah, unless Bran manages to warg to old Valyrian Smiths to see the forging and magic imbuing, and they coax the Dragons to light the fires, we're not getting new blades. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 According to Euron, there should be enough just from his codpiece to equip an army. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Id say theyve invested too much time in Valyrean steel subplots, but i look at wastes of time in Dorne and Aryas training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Ask Siri who Jon Snow's father is... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Don't know about who Jon's Daddy is, but I'm pretty sure Lady Mormont made every Northern Lord not named Jon Snow her bitch. That might be the baddest 12 year old on the planet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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