Tabe Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 It's like reading all these deeper meanings into the works of Keats in school. Is it not possible that he just wrote some words down because they sounded good? I had this exact same thought a lot in my English classes. Lots of assigning deep meanings to stuff that could just have been an author writing down a story they thought was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 The whole difference between black people stealing white culture and white people stealing black culture thing is probably a much more complex discussion than I have time to do right now, but it isn't an invalid point. I'll just reiterate my point on the lack of context. In general when white people steal a portion of black culture it seems to be done with a sense of novelty that doesn't really have an appreciation of the culture that bred the twerking, the gold grills, the rapping etc. If a black kid does ballet for instance, they go to ballet practice, wear the unitard, and go through the same process a white person would if he or she would do ballet. I find it hard to believe that Miley Cyrus was going to hip-hop clubs in the inner city and twerking, which is fine by me, but there is a difference. You don't really hear complaints about people like Eminem who grew up in Detroit going around the city battling other rappers. He obviously has an appreciation for the artform that he is paricipating in, and therefore you never hear anything about him misappropriating black culture. I will disagree on the point of when white people steal from black culture it's more a sense of novelty than appreciation when talking about grills and twerking. There is no need for appreciation when it comes to grills and twerking. These aren't sacred things that need to be revered. They're silly and fun things that shouldn't have any qualifiers behind them. This kind of proves my point. Just because you or I don't appreciate grills, twerking or anything else doesn't mean that there isn't some part of some culture that has an appreciation for them. I remember a kid I went to high school with who was offended by removable grills. I didn't give a rat's ass one way or another, but he was legitimately upset. Apparently in New Orleans it was some sort of faux pas to have gold teeth that weren't permanent. He was going on and on about how it was bullshit that people were wearing grills instead of getting permant caps. The lack of context is what is offensive to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 One could view some of the angst over Miley Cyrus as a conflict between makers and takers. The black community builds up cultural capital, creating a vibrant hip-hop subculture. While people come along and strip-mine that subculture, taking the superficial aspects of it. White people, not black people, then become the ones who get the most fame and money out of it. So, cultural appropriation becomes a matter of minorities complaining that "we built that" and whites are profiting without putting in any real work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I don't think the issue is that grills and twerking is sacred or should be appreciated. In my eyes the issue is when a white person borrows these ideas to play up that they are now "controversial" or "dangerous" or being "naughty" "Look how I am acting 'black' " seems to equal "Look how BAD I am now.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 "Look how I am acting 'black' " .... "Look how BAD I am now.." Wait, are we role playing, because I am so turned on right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Please end this thread. We can't stop. And we won't stop. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 It's our thread, we can do what we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm going to go ahead and stomp on some eggshells, because I've been biting my tongue on saying this all week... but why is it not ok for a white person to borrow elements from "black culture"? She's borrowing stereotypes and not culture. The ideas have become interchangable when really they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Guys, you should be in the September Miley thread. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I THINK I'M IN LOVE! Write 10 pages about that ya dorks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 She can teach Julianne Hough a little something about how to appropriately dress up as a black person. Other than that, her pastey is bigger than her boob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I THINK I'M IN LOVE! Write 10 pages about that ya dorks! This is not the right thread to post cosplay pictures of chicks dressing as Ayame from Dead Or Alive. Oh, wait. I didn't recognize Miley without her tongue sticking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I found the whole thing with Miley on VMA to be a ripoff of M.I.A. I'm also surprised that if Miley really wanted to say 'screw it,' she would record an album of Belle & Sebastian, Jeff Buckley, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Scott Walker and other alternative indie acts' songs. Her cover of "Lilac Wine" is surprisingly decent. ROFLZ @ "Miley Does The Soundtracks Of Wes Anderson" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I THINK I'M IN LOVE! Write 10 pages about that ya dorks! Umm, how old is this photo? ETA: Never mind, I found it. Halloween 2013. I like the purple hair very much, and as mentioned above I am pleased to see for once she kept her tongue in her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I saw Miley Cyrus in concert a few months back the show was surreal she puts on an amazingly absurd show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGFanJay Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Gainax should make a Miley anime. It MIGHT capture the insanity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiColin Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Gainax should make a Miley anime. It MIGHT capture the insanity. I think they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Only thing more surprising than http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/skidmore-college-is-offering-a-course-this-summer-called-the is finding out we have a Miley thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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