Full Gear IV - 11/19/2022

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

9 minutes ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

I still think they can go with Swerve for a month or so here.

Have Regal's endorsement of MJF as a true villain go to his head and call out Sneaky Swerve for not being sneaky enough and hiding behind Keith Lee. Have a show end with Swerve and the pliars trying to cut off the Dynamite Diamond Ring finger.

That’s another issue I have with recent booking. How many speciality weapons do we need?

JJ: Guitar

Darby: Skateboard

Swerve: Pliars

Sting: Baseball Bat

Pac: Ring Bell Hammer 

MJF: Dynamite Diamond 

Regal: Brass Knux

Danhausen: Jar of Teeth

Jericho: Baseball Bat

I’m sure there might be a few more I’m forgetting at the moment too. 

Edited November 20, 2022 by LF2

[The Natural]

Just now, LF2 said:

That’s another issue I have with recent booking. How many speciality weapons do we need?

JJ: Guitar

Darby: Skateboard

Swerve: Pliars

Sting: Baseball Bat

Pac: Ring Bell

MJF: Dynamite Diamond 

Regal: Brass Knux

Danhausen: Jar of Teeth

Jericho: Baseball Bat

I’m sure there might be a few more I’m forgetting at the moment too. 

Penta's spam taunt.

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[Just Adam Bay Bay]

2 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Penta's spam taunt.

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I also forgot Mox’s razor blade.  

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

Chucky T's chainsaw

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

So now that Danhausen has brought back his trademark jar of teeth I’d like to see a brief backstage segment with him and Dr. Baker. That way we can find out who’s supplying him with said teeth. 

[Matt D]

4 minutes ago, LF2 said:

So now that Danhausen has brought back his trademark jar of teeth I’d like to see a brief backstage segment with him and Dr. Baker. That way we can find out who’s supplying him with said teeth. 

They had them interact on that, but I'm not 100% sure when. I think it was during the "... of the year" awards presentation last year.

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

5 minutes ago, Matt D said:

They had them interact on that, but I'm not 100% sure when. I think it was during the "... of the year" awards presentation last year.

Darn. I’ll have to check YouTube for that. Thank you for letting me know. 

[Matt D]

6 minutes ago, LF2 said:

Darn. I’ll have to check YouTube for that. Thank you for letting me know. 

I scanned through it quickly and couldn't find it in there quickly (though they do interact), so it must have been some other thing from around that time. Your guess is as good as mine, but there was some bit about him asking about it and her saying that they had to talk off camera.

[Dog]

33 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

I have to agree with a lot my arch-nemesis Matt D. said. Some hits, a lot of misses, and a lot of "Uhm..."

1) Jamie Hayter rules. She got over because she rules at professional wrestling. She's a great no-nonsense bad-ass who is stiff as anything and has no time for anything but beating up other people in the ring. I think she should have just beaten Toni Storm without any of the shenanigans at ringside. I say that as a huge fan of Britt. The run-in's looked fantastic ("NOOOOOO!") to Britt coming in with the hoodie. And it didn't matter at all because the crowd was going to pop for Jamie to win no matter what. But making her win seem like this moment of career triumph and because of taken shortcuts really runs counter to the story they just told.

But now Baker can say Hayter only won because of her, leading to the break-up and feud. People say there's no long-term storytelling, then they blank on stuff like this.

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1A) The announcing in this match trying to put over their relationship since they lived together during quarantine days was insanity. Like some of the greatest unintentional comedy I've heard in a long time. I only wish Excalibur started talking about how they spent their stimulus checks or if they could get PPP money as independent contractors.

Honestly, just about every kind of attempted backstory to a match is cringey to me. Saying they were roommates and Hayter ghosted Toni is enough.

[Unnatural]

 

 

[Casey]

20 minutes ago, Matt D said:

I scanned through it quickly and couldn't find it in there quickly (though they do interact), so it must have been some other thing from around that time. Your guess is as good as mine, but there was some bit about him asking about it and her saying that they had to talk off camera.

It was on Britt’s episode of Hey! EW with RJ City I’m pretty sure.

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

53 minutes ago, L_W_P said:

Ok see...

If they wanted to lean into the memes and have fun with this, Jericho vs Sting: Baseball bat on a Pole match, is a fucking great TV main event match. If it then leads to a PPV match between Sammy and Darby to determine a #1 contender to MJF then that's great story telling.
 

Not to mention Sting vs Jericho would probably do a good number on TV too. 

Edited November 20, 2022 by LF2
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[Andrew POE!]

1 hour ago, Greggulator said:

I have to agree with a lot my arch-nemesis Matt D. said. Some hits, a lot of misses, and a lot of "Uhm..."

1) Jamie Hayter rules. She got over because she rules at professional wrestling. She's a great no-nonsense bad-ass who is stiff as anything and has no time for anything but beating up other people in the ring. I think she should have just beaten Toni Storm without any of the shenanigans at ringside. I say that as a huge fan of Britt. The run-in's looked fantastic ("NOOOOOO!") to Britt coming in with the hoodie. And it didn't matter at all because the crowd was going to pop for Jamie to win no matter what. But making her win seem like this moment of career triumph and because of taken shortcuts really runs counter to the story they just told. 

1A) The announcing in this match trying to put over their relationship since they lived together during quarantine days was insanity. Like some of the greatest unintentional comedy I've heard in a long time. I only wish Excalibur started talking about how they spent their stimulus checks or if they could get PPP money as independent contractors.

2) The main event was really weird. It was a good match. But Mox leaning into the heel stuff because the crowd was rooting for MJF, only for MJF to win after Regal turned is exactly why Cena never wrestled heel despite getting booed out of the arena. It just makes the body of the match (MJF as an underdog against a psychopath) mean nothing when the payoff is heel shenanigans from villains. Mox needed to stay as the protagonist. MJF needed to keep his heel shtick. Let the fans cheer how they are going to cheer. Just tell the story you have been telling to completion. 

3) The 4-way was a great match. But where were Yuta and Garcia? Yuta with Cesaro and Garcia with Sammy. Unless there was an injury or something, that was a gigantic story from the past few months. Yuta/Garcia even main evented a Dynamite in a banger. AEW did a lot of really good work to get both of those guys over. Pay it off. 

4) Why did Swerve give Keith Lee a device to torture an opponent after they had been squabbling over the need for cheating in the build-up to the match and literally in the match itself? The more accurate story would have been Lee preventing Swerve from using those tactics, which leads to Swerve's downfall. 

It really sucks because there's so much good in-ring work on these shows. But TK's a disorganized mess and needs an editor. 

 

 

This is the biggest reason / problem I have with MJF winning the title at Full Gear. The fans wanted to cheer MJF - so give them a reason to cheer him. Have him lose against Moxley and want a rematch on Dynamite. Regal tells him that Moxley is on vacation and will defend the title when he feels like it. Make Regal/Moxley the true heels everyone wants them to be - Moxley and Regal fought and it would be a similar relationship to Roman Reigns and Paul Heyman. Have MJF be a babyface with an edge and fight whatever obstacles Moxley/Regal throw at him to lead up to the rematch for the title (have him face former members of The Firm, have him face Claudio / Danielson / Yuta). Maybe Yuta, Claudio or Danielson get cold feet about fighting MJF and Moxley/Regal kick them out of the Combat Club. So MJF has a de facto partner in all of this while people wonder if he's really a 'good guy' despite getting screwed over.

Instead, no we get MJF winning the World title because he had incredible promos against Jon Moxley and William Regal, not on the basis of his actual matches. TK books wrestling like he's in college with a final paper that he started on the night before.

Edited November 20, 2022 by Andrew POE!

[Casey]

4 minutes ago, LF2 said:

Not t mention Sting vs Jericho would probably do a good number on TV too. 

It’s also a legit first time ever match. Never interacted in WCW apparently.

[Dolphman 3000]

They had one shot to make Max the hometown hero in New Jersey like Punk is Chicago

They blew it

[(BP)]

I don’t think we should underestimate how much more nihilistic and amoral people are on average than in 2011, especially in my neck of the woods. Max was a hero last night, a slimy cheating hero. 

As Bob Dylan sang, “In Jersey everything's legal as long as you don’t get caught.” 

[zendragon]

4 hours ago, LF2 said:

You also have something in common with Ronda Rousey then. I don’t get why female wrestlers struggle to get gear that fits properly much more often than their male counterparts. I (thankfully) don’t ever see MJF stopping mid match to adjust his shorts.

I remember Bully Ray adjusting his pants to the point where it became a meme. I wanted "Hitching up the britches" to become his version of lawler dropping the strap

[Dog]

1 hour ago, Greggulator said:

Mox needed to stay as the protagonist. MJF needed to keep his heel shtick. Let the fans cheer how they are going to cheer. Just tell the story you have been telling to completion.

 

16 minutes ago, Dolphman 3000 said:

They had one shot to make Max the hometown hero in New Jersey like Punk is Chicago

They blew it

Getting a lot of use, that one is.

These are the contradictions that happen when people present their opinions/preferences as facts.

Edited November 20, 2022 by Dog

[zendragon]

4 hours ago, John E. Dynamite said:

They have twice as many things that need athletically support/to be covered up to be allowed on TV? Some of those things are way harder to keep strapped in than anything a dude has, stick right out of the front and exist near rotating arms and shoulders that most workers don't want sleeved-in? Wrestling creates a far higher number of wardrobe-malfunction circumstances than other athletic endeavors? Millennia of gender relations and politics have created an entertainment industry that rewards skimpiness? Which is only amplified by professional wrestling's historic demographics? Said gender imbalances mean there's proportionally less women in sports i.e. less priority in creating female athletic wear? I mean fuck man it's a LOT of things.

we historically the women wore more coverage then the men.

[Pedro]

1 hour ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

I BET YOU DID.

Kind of hard not to when there are also multiple memes of her sitting on the rope adjusting her hair and her top while waiting for Nyla to leg drop her.  If I'm being honest it was probably one of the top 5 worst AEW matches ever. 

[porksweats]

37 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Kind of hard not to when there are also multiple memes of her sitting on the rope adjusting her hair and her top while waiting for Nyla to leg drop her.  If I'm being honest it was probably one of the top 5 worst AEW matches ever. 

But Pedro, there were more than 5 Jimmy Havoc matches, no way was it worse than any of those.

[(BP)]

Spoiler

 

[Matt D]

I'm not going to get distracted into a "Misawa adjusted his tights all the time" tangent.

INSTEAD.

I've been thinking about what rationale Regal might use to justify this. First and foremost, I still think it's very important that this wasn't some long-running, premeditated plan but instead an act of opportunity that came after MJF proved himself by throwing the ring away.

That still leads to why MJF instead of Mox, right? What I'd like to see is a promo from Regal where the big hingepoint is a sentence like "But dear Jonathan, as sorrowful as it makes me to say this, you have become a hero," which then spins out on how Moxley's no longer a proper villain because he's taken the company and carried it on his shoulders through fire and darkness and has become the sort of champion that all should look up to and how that simply won't do.

That sort of thing.

[Octopus]

@Matt D, you’d be so much cooler if you talked about Misawa’s tights…

[Dog]

1 hour ago, Pedro said:

Kind of hard not to when there are also multiple memes of her sitting on the rope adjusting her hair and her top while waiting for Nyla to leg drop her.  If I'm being honest it was probably one of the top 5 worst AEW matches ever. 

But Britt Baker wasn't even in it.