jstout Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 If I were Ronda (and if I were, I'd just stand and stare at myself in the mirror a lot), I'd hang back and wait for what happens in a Tate-Holm rematch. She makes more movies, regains her smile, and whoever comes out on top has a head of steam going into a fight with Rousey. If it's Tate and Rousey beats Tate, that makes the Holm fight even more meaningful, even if Holm's lost twice to Tate. If it's Holm, the fight's still pretty damn meaningful. That crowd reaction, though, during that fight tells me that women's fighting would be OK if Rousey went to Hollywood. McGregor was just sort of toying with Diaz until he wasn't. When Diaz was on top of him, I was thinking "that's McGregor's ass, regardless." McGregor had no choice but to roll over, and I knew that was gonna be it. Simply incredible. Wall-rattling pop out of me for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Yeah, I don't doubt her competitiveness she was just doing a little too much with this depression stuff. Maybe she really was depressed but it's not something that should be taken lightly and now the way these events have transpired and the timeline and everything make her look bad. I still don't think I'm buying it. She needs to get in there with Holly again at some point and preferably soon. Now you're insinuating that she was lying about being depressed? It wasn't long ago she was depressed now this result happens and she's ready to go. Quick turnaround. Very convenient. And I don't think I have to take everything an athlete says as fact. I'm looking at the timeline and for me it's not adding up. Yes, because Depression follows a very strict convienent timeline and doesn't change how a person could feel and their mindset as quick as every hour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 It just hit me that the UFC main evented a show with two people (both 27) who are almost literally half the age of Ken Shamrock (52), who was in the main event of a Bellator show 3 weeks ago. I don't know if I should laugh, cry, or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterien Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Before I start i just wanna say im a part time MMA fan so tear apart my comment if you please. I think the defeat doesn't hurt Conor that much in the medium term of things he'll still get the big money fights and the attraction is still there...for now. One thing that may hurt him (and it was mentioned earlier by someone,so credit to them) is John Kavanagh. Conor has to move away from him if he wants to better himself and get over this defeat. A new coach would teach him how to deal with people like Diaz,Dos Anjos,Lawler etc. Kavanaghs tactics when Conor got rocked by punches? Go to the ground, which is Conors weak spot. Doesn't make any fucking sense to me, surely other coaches would have a better game plan than this. Kavanagh has taken him as far as he can in my opinion, for Conors sake he needs a change. Another thing that struck me was that Conor was pretty much gassed by round one. Its one thing doing movement drills carrying that weight but rounds in the octagon is a different story. Diazs "Who do you train with?"comment has way more legitimacy than anyone thought. To Kavanagh's credit, I believe I saw someone tweet that he did tell Conor in between rounds to not put so much on his punches. That's something I actually agree with. Conor tried to fight at his normal pace with added muscle and didn't account for Nate being able to survive the first few volleys. He would stopped plenty of fighters at featherweight and lightweight, but Nate was able to keep up and continue to fight. Conor kept spamming that overhand left and uppercut. Instead, he should have slowed the pace down (much like he did in the Siver fight to finish him) and let the punishment soak in. Nate was able to keep the jab in his face and keep him honest. McGregor really didn't throw any kicks to the body save for maybe one and that would've slowed Nate down. He needed to get to Nate's gas tank because he was the one who was use to fighting at that weight. Ok fair enough have to give Kavanagh some credit in that case. Best thing McGregor can do is maybe forget about UFC200 and redesign and rebuild,get some BJJ under him and THEN see the lay of the land. Rushing into a Aldo/dos Anjos fight right now could be career suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 It will be funny to see Rousey be her normal Heel self against Tate in the lead up to the fight and see how ESPN/FS1 try to spin it that Tate's really the Heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheVileOne Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Conor McGregor used to tell Ariel Helwani that he would never leave his coach and his team and fighters who do so are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Then he got choked out by Nate Diaz. Perhaps he is reevaluating his situation. I certainly hope so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 Everybody who gets submitted ain't leaving their coach. If so, Holm has to look for a new team because you folks were talking up Jackson/Wink big time. She wasn't even hurt like McGregor was when he was in the RNC. She looked borderline pedestrian in round 2. Shit happens. Everything isn't a coach Edmond type scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I was more thinking about his defensive approach or lack thereof. He could be a great fighter if he worked on his defense in all three aspects of MMA. If his camp isn't the place to do it, then he needs to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I liked Conors statement he made on social media. I showed up to fight, you showed up on Twitter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 I was more thinking about his defensive approach or lack thereof. He could be a great fighter if he worked on his defense in all three aspects of MMA. If his camp isn't the place to do it, then he needs to leave. I think people are reading a bit too much into this performance. Because after round 1 when he turned Diaz's face into hamburger meat, people weren't saying he needs to leave SBG. As much I have problems with Kavanagh and some of his tactics (especially in non-McGregor fights), as I said pages back, I have to give him credit. He got Conor this far. He's already a great fighter. He's still the number 1 featherweight on the planet and that's a division full of bad motherfuckers. He loses 25 pounds up and people starting jump ship on him and his team. You have to remember that Kavanagh literally turned a plumber who was semi decent at MMA part time into someone who was able to vaporize one of the two or three best fighters on the planet in under 15 seconds. It wasn't Greg Jackson. It wasn't Matt Hume. It wasn't Rafael Cordeiro. It wasn't Javy Mendez. It wasn't Ricardo Liborio. It was John Kavanagh and his training partners that did that. Now can he bring in one or two specialists? Sure and that's what I'm leaning towards because his style is way too different to just jump camps. If he was more orthodox as a fighter, I wouldn't have a problem with him maybe switching teams in the future. The problem is a lot of camps like to make people more conservative instead of working on people's weaknesses. Case in point, Erick Silva. Erick Silva went to King's MMA for the Taleb camp and basically all that changed was he didn't go buck wild for the first minute of the fight. Should I criticize Rafael Cordeiro for Erick's lack of ability to change everything about his fighting style? No because that's what Erick Silva is and has been doing for several years now. That takes time and experimentation, which is something that guys who are on the bubble of getting cut don't have. Erick Silva might be balling out of control seven months from now when he is in Bellator, Titan, or WSOF. However, he ain't got time to do that in the UFC. On the opposite end of the spectrum, McGregor is rolling through a bunch of money fights. It's easier to just add on instead of just subtracting out of the blue. That's why the narrative on Holm's loss should not be that "Duh, Izzy Martinez must suck as a grappling coach." It should be Holm should look into her mistakes from this past fight and how she can get out of certain bad situations in terms of grappling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 The Diaz brother's trick - throwing a lot of light punches early to trick the opponent into thinking they have no power - is a good trick. But let's be honest, Conor was winning up until he got caught, and even after he was rocked he survived a good couple of minutes. It's not like he got sparked out with a single shot, it's not like he was outclassed throughout. Is McGregor going to be medically suspended and not able to train for a few months, or is that only if you lose by KO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 Is McGregor going to be medically suspended and not able to train for a few months, or is that only if you lose by KO? He will probably be given a cautionary 90 day suspension or something like that will be removed once get cleared by a doctor. Same with Nate since he got busted pretty bad. His will probably look insane on paper, but he will be cool once a doctor gives him clearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 The Diaz brother's trick - throwing a lot of light punches early to trick the opponent into thinking they have no power - is a good trick. But let's be honest, Conor was winning up until he got caught, and even after he was rocked he survived a good couple of minutes. It's not like he got sparked out with a single shot, it's not like he was outclassed throughout. Is McGregor going to be medically suspended and not able to train for a few months, or is that only if you lose by KO? That's the anatomy of a Diaz brothers fight though. The old he was winning until... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Well, a lot of Diaz brothers fights also go "He was winning all the way until the fight ended, and then he won on points and Diaz couldn't believe it... and then Diaz said he must have been on steroids." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Whenever they lose a decision they always say that their opponent just ran away or that their punches didn't do shit to them. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I honestly think that Nate Diaz is the worst possible match up for McGregor. Diaz is the significantly larger fighter, he is the more experienced fighter, and he does not break. I don't know what McGregor does against a guy who can take his punches and fire back. Nate's durability is his biggest advantage. Trading strikes with Diaz is risky, because the overwhelming odds say that he can take more punishment than his opponent. His boxing is unorthodox and he has more power than what people give him credit for. McGregor thought his power would be enough, but once Diaz realized he could withstand his power he let his hands go. McGregor didn't have another option to go to when Nate planted his feet and decided to turn up the heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Watching the prelims now. You know how they put tweets about the PPV pn screen during the prelims? Gordon Ramsey's tweet said he was rooting for Holm and McGregor. Pension-faced idiot ruins everything. He also supports Rangers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Yes, because Depression follows a very strict convienent timeline and doesn't change how a person could feel and their mindset as quick as every hour. I am speculating just as you are. Last week she's depressed. This week she's ready to go. What happened within the last week? I don't know what went on with her and you don't either but I do know that a key event happened last night that MIGHT have something to do with why she's now ready to go. And before you say anything, we all speculate on athletes every day on this board because none of us know them personally. Even the journalists don't. Without speculation there is no discussion. I can dig back through these archives where you've said "this guy is an asshole" paraphrasing.. in the football section but really how do you know? Because the media painted him in that light? So I'm crazy or a bad person because the timeline of events makes it look like she might have been dodging Holly? Did I call her a liar? Nope, I didn't. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Here it is in a nutshell- you don't like Rousey. You also don't appear to like the actual facts. You keep saying last week she was depressed and now she's not. Where are you getting that? She said she was depressed in November after her fight and then no media contact for three months until the interview three weeks ago where she talked about the depression she went through after the fight. You're basically making stuff up to fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 So now it's that I dislike Rousey. I'm not the only person who has said this, it's not some narrative that I plucked from the sky, people inside of MMA have said the same thing. For the record, I don't dislike her but I'm also not a Rousey super fan either. I'm completely neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I don't think she was depressed last week, she was depressed after she lost, which is fair. Also, all she did was send Dana White one text about getting back to work. But wouldn't Rousey be eager to fight her old rival who she's already beaten twice and now holds the belt instead of Holly Holm? Doesn't seem too unreasonable. MMA is about match-ups, and Rousey just matches up with Tate better than she does Holm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Actively ducking someone kind of ruins that aura of "badass", though. But, Holm kind of dismantled that anyway, so I can see why Rousey is scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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