The Viceland Wrestling Documentaries

[Cobra Commander]

The Desperadoes, with Gerald Brisco instead of Deadeye Dick/Randy Colley.

(Black Bart could hold his own in that sort of trio)

[Elsalvajeloco]

Sidebar: There was an episode of Memphis wrestling I watched when Savage was in, and he had a match with Dutch at the Mid-South Coliseum. The shit they were doing wouldn't out of place if it happened today. The only thing being is EVERYTHING was executed perfectly as far as the highspots went. Nothing looked see through. I saw that Dutch has had some criticism of at least AEW's product. However, I wonder if Dutch has ever been approached or was ever interested in being a trainer/agent instead of in creative or talent like he usually has been. If his complaint is people botching things, why not lend a hand in assisting them not to do that?

[odessasteps]

https://twitter.com/DirtyDMantell/status/1583300046941847552?t=5WrGoziWw6ng4NwAyIjeGA&s=19

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Guys I am not picking on @AEW. Believe me I want them to be the best they can be. What I can’t believe is @tonykhan apparently not utilizing some of the greatest “coaches” in the business. @RealBillyGunn @itsjerrylynn @TheArnShow @sonjaydutterson That’s an ALL STAR team.

 

 

[Elsalvajeloco]

Just now, odessasteps said:

https://twitter.com/DirtyDMantell/status/1583300046941847552?t=5WrGoziWw6ng4NwAyIjeGA&s=19

 

 

I dunno about the other guys, but I believe Arn would like to stay as talent. After his WWE experience and sort of getting the short end of the stick a lot of times, I think his days as an agent are over. 

[Cobra Commander]

I once again forgot this was on until 20 minutes in, so i'll rewatch the entire thing later.

I'm gonna pretend that the Head Shaving from the "Fat Lip" music video was a homage to Kevin Sullivan's Army of Darkness and that Sum 41 is actually a Canadian cult.

[Curt McGirt]

That was absolutely tremendous. I missed the first 5-10 minutes or so but everything else was the best thing Vice has done with wrestling. That could be for me because I don't think I've heard the Bob Roop/Steve Keirn story but hey. I could watch about ten hours of Kevin Sullivan. 

EDIT: I also have to admit that the story of Eddie Graham... hurts. Bad. And I'll leave it at that. 

EDIT II: And Steve Keirn's dad! What the fuck! That could have been my granddad, who was in Iwo Jima and Guadalcanal! 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Curt McGirt

[Cobra Commander]

Abdullah the Butcher talking is weird enough. But thin Abby is also a bit of startling

Although it would be sorta difficult to remain that heavy and make it to your 80s.

Schultz looks like a maniac these days, which is apt.

[odessasteps]

Dutch has talked on his podcast recently about being the booker when Eddie killed himself and how that effected everyone in the territory. 

[Elsalvajeloco]

I still have to watch the other ones after the first episode, but I may skip to the Florida one just out of curiosity.

[Cobra Commander]

the unofficial theme of this show is "it's a surprise that wrestlers didn't crash planes more often"

[odessasteps]

22 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

the unofficial theme of this show is "it's a surprise that wrestlers didn't crash planes more often"

Too bad there's no Knoxville episode to hear Ron Wright plane stories. 

[Cobra Commander]

This series is repeatedly validating Jim Cornette's phobia about flights (although Cornette's problem was more about not being able to see the cockpit on the larger flights, so he was able to cope on the Crockett flights)

Thin Abdullah looks like Ernest the Cat Miller playing Randy the Ram's retired archnemesis.

Bret Hart being the youngest wrestler on the Stampede panel probably doesn't surprise you, but I just found that Bret Hart is just 2 years younger than David Schultz. Schultz torched his career in the WWF before he turned 30. He wasn't even 30 when all that stuff was filmed but he had Arn Andersonitis of looking much older than you'd think.

[odessasteps]

Probably didn't help that Herb Welch trained Dr D, including stretching him so bad his wife had to help him get in the house after getting home. 

[Cobra Commander]

The Keirn/Roop feud that involved Roop calling Keirn’s POW father a coward reminds me of an even more infamous angle.

This angle came two months after Eddie Graham’s suicide:

The 10th anniversary of Mike Graham’s suicide was last week (the 19th).

[hammerva]

6 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

the unofficial theme of this show is "it's a surprise that wrestlers didn't crash planes more often"

You have to be fucked up as hell to fly one of those small ass planes RIGHT INTO a Disney Fireworks display and tell the son of a Vietnam POW that it is like a war flashback.   

As bat shit crazy the Kevin Sullivan darkness angle was, a little surprised the main thing they focus on was the "week long fight" that happened in 2 weeks at a house show against Mulligan.   Could probably do a full hour on that shit.  

If you are going to have Bob Roop for these shows, it would be really interesting if they mentioned the Plan B stuff on the series.    But hard to put that in one "group" 

Edited October 26, 2022 by hammerva

[SirSmUgly]

You couldn't pay me enough money to let prime Bob Roop stretch me. Fuck that shit. 

EDIT: Or honestly, old-ass Bob Roop right now. 

DOUBLE-EDIT: Brisco looks like the Midwestern hick Dollar Tree version of Bret Hart, tbh. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by SirSmellingtonofCascadia

[TheVileOne]

On 10/21/2022 at 4:55 PM, odessasteps said:

https://twitter.com/DirtyDMantell/status/1583300046941847552?t=5WrGoziWw6ng4NwAyIjeGA&s=19

 

 

Can anyone explain this to me? Is AEW not using those guys as coaches/producers?

 

Sounds like Dirty Ditch is making bad faith arguments as he often does.

Edited October 26, 2022 by TheVileOne

[SirSmUgly]

I don't see why Bob Roop was a heel in that 'Nam angle. All he was saying is that he likes military that doesn't get captured. 

[porksweats]

2 hours ago, TheVileOne said:

Can anyone explain this to me? Is AEW not using those guys as coaches/producers?

 

Sounds like Dirty Ditch is making bad faith arguments as he often does.

I can't speak for Billy, Lynn or Arn but Dutt was specifically put in a creative coaching role recently. Same time they brought in Madison Rayne for the women.

[TheVileOne]

20 minutes ago, porksweats said:

I can't speak for Billy, Lynn or Arn but Dutt was specifically put in a creative coaching role recently. Same time they brought in Madison Rayne for the women.

Lynn is apparently a producer and coach, and I recall Billy Gunn was specifically signed to AEW in that capacity, so whatever point Dirty Ditch was making is lost on me.

Edited October 26, 2022 by TheVileOne

[Kuetsar]

I think Dutch is saying they have those people and are not using them for the maximum benefit.

[TheVileOne]

32 minutes ago, Kuetsar said:

I think Dutch is saying they have those people and are not using them for the maximum benefit.

OK but what information is that even based on, and how does he know they aren't? 

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

I can go either way on that Florida ep being better with Hogan and his ridiculous stories on it instead.

[Elsalvajeloco]

3 hours ago, porksweats said:

I can't speak for Billy, Lynn or Arn but Dutt was specifically put in a creative coaching role recently. Same time they brought in Madison Rayne for the women.

As I said above, Arn wants to be just a talent. I think just like JR though if someone wants some advice, he is willing to offer some. However, he isn't contracted to do that because he doesn't want to.

[Cobra Commander]

The Florida episode made the Top 150 of cable last night. It ranked 149th in the 18-49 with a 0.02 and 101k overall viewers.