Jiji Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 If we see optimum Gastelum, he should win this easily. But that's always been the question with Kelvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 IMO It's a bit hard to get a read on Gastelum. He has a top five talent, but he hasn't been able to craft a run yet to really get himself in position. I think being a 5'9" middleweight kinda reared it's ugly head in the Weidman fight. I thought Weidman had a little left in the tank and obviously the better submission grappler, but I didn't think Gastelum would basically abandon defensive grappling. I don't know if I should be impressed with Weidman performing well with his back against the wall and getting hurt in round 1 or depressed about Gastelum hitting a ceiling. I think Kelvin still mentally wants to compete at 170, but there isn't any way for him to get back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Last time I checked, Shanghai is not in New York State. I'm not sure if UFC is acting as their own regulatory body or using the local jurisdiction, but I don't think they would recognize those same medical suspensions. Plus, Bisping likely got cleared by UFC physicians (which is easy since he lives in Cali) or else they wouldn't put him in the fight. There's no justification for this. He shouldn't be fighting three weeks after he probably got concussed and beat up by GSP. That's the height of insanity. The fight taking place in Shanghai is not a valid excuse. So what if it's not in New York state? UFC should should have to follow the recommended medical suspensions. Just because a UFC doctor "clears" him doesn't mean he's fit to fight. Mark Hunt claimed a doctor and psychologist cleared him to fight in Australia and said his words in that article were "taken out of context." I find it hard to believe a legitimate, non-shady doctor would clear Bisping less than a week after a beating like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, TheVileOne said: There's no justification for this. He shouldn't be fighting three weeks after he probably got concussed and beat up by Bisping. He beat himself up? But yeah, if the physicians clear him then your problem is with the physicians (and probably Ratner if it's a UFC regulated show). If he got concussed, then I doubt they would clear him. Also, the key part is it's not in New York state where the suspension is. Even then, he would still be able to compete in NYS if he got cleared there if he got checked out there. If this was in a NJ/CA/NV, I think they would *probably* go with someone else. Anywhere else, it's open season because those commissions have different regulations as far those procedures. If you get your medicals done in time and nothing crazy shows up, then you will probably get to the greenlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 24 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: There's no justification for this. He shouldn't be fighting three weeks after he probably got concussed and beat up by Bisping. That's the height of insanity. The fight taking place in Shanghai is not a valid excuse. So what if it's not in New York state? UFC should should have to follow the recommended medical suspensions. Just because a UFC doctor "clears" him doesn't mean he's fit to fight. Mark Hunt claimed a doctor and psychologist cleared him to fight in Australia and said his words in that article were "taken out of context." I find it hard to believe a legitimate, non-shady doctor would clear Bisping less than a week after a beating like that. You never know maybe Russel Wilson gave Bisping his magic water that cures concussions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 If he was concussed, he wouldn't be in the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Before the recent events people were mooting the idea of Bisping vs Silva II at the London event in March. Have UFC ever done a rematch in the same venue as the original fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 44 minutes ago, Happ Hazzard said: Before the recent events people were mooting the idea of Bisping vs Silva II at the London event in March. Have UFC ever done a rematch in the same venue as the original fight? There are probably some lower level rematches, but the only notable ones that come to mind are Silva vs. Weidman & Velasquez vs. Bigfoot happening at MGM both times and Lesnar vs. Mir happening at Mandalay Bay both times (UFC 81 & 100). Given the travel, you will be hard pressed to find ones that occur outside of Vegas. Aldo vs. Mendes is probably the closest, but one took place at HSBC Arena and the other took place in the gymnasium beside the giant soccer stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Swagger signed with Bellator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 OSP got his wish and will be fighting Illir Latifi on the Fight Night card in Charlotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 9 hours ago, ChesterCopperpot said: Swagger signed with Bellator oh good, we can get the long awaited Swagger vs Lashley match. seriously tho, wtf? unless he's been doing low key striking lessons, dude ain't gonna make it far. amateur wrestling background, sure, but at heavyweight you gotta have hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheVileOne Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 It's not a very good apology when you are trying to deflect blame to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 11 hours ago, twiztor said: seriously tho, wtf? unless he's been doing low key striking lessons, dude ain't gonna make it far. amateur wrestling background, sure, but at heavyweight you gotta have hands Yes and no. If you are an elite wrestler, I think you'll be able to compete at heavyweight in Bellator. Honestly, there are maybe 6 good heavyweights on the planet, and I don't know if anyone in Bellator is on that list. If his wrestling is elite, that is a huge if, he'll be able to compete against guys who aren't really elite at anything. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if Bader or Lawal won their heavyweight grand prix, because I think their skill level is higher than any of the heavyweights in the tournament. Other than Fedor, what heavyweight is going to be able to brain either of them before getting taken down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 The guy that brained Fedor and has good enough wrestling to stop takedowns. But I doubt we ever see that. They'll probably just match him up against a bunch of cans like what they've done with Lashley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I wish Lashley was in the grand prix. Or that Swagger signed earlier enough to be in. Looking forward to Swagger's debut whenever it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 Ryan Bader and Matt Mitrione are going to be odds on favorite to win a tournament that also features Fedor Emelianenko and Frank Mir by virtue of not being completely old, decrepit, or undersized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Sabin Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Maybe we will see Lashley vs. Swagger in a Bellator Cage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 I think Lashley is pretty much done with MMA unless he gets a really big money offer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Helwani says Diaz versus Woodley is a possible option for 219 main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Casey said: Helwani says Diaz versus Woodley is a possible option for 219 main event. Nate Diaz doesn't deserve this fight, but neither does anyone else who hasn't either already fought a lackluster fight against Woodley. I guess the winner of RDA vs. Lawler would be most deserving, but that fight is 2 weeks before 219. They can't sell another Thompson fight. Both Covington and Till probably need another fight or two before anyone takes them seriously as contenders. Welterweight is going through a transitional period that needs to kind of play itself out before I complain about this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 Tyron wants a money fight and that's the closest one on that short a notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Woodley will never get a money fight because he's not a money fighter. Not sure why Diaz would agree to a fight with Woodley anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grilledcheese Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Quote I sincerely apologize to the Director of the Mohegan Tribe Department of Athletic Regulation. I'm not sure I follow this. Why is he apologizing to a tribal commission in Connecticut for a fight that happened in Ireland? I'm assuming that they were the commission for the event, but why? Is there no regulatory body that handles combat sports in Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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