odessasteps Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Skipped thst part. I do love the running gag of austin owing people beers for leaving his phone on during the podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerjeRUN Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Bob Holly vs Chris Jericho vs Chyna. Such a weird match looking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeCaesar Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Its value really started fluctuating towards irrelevance around the time Chyna won it actually. That's not really fair to Chyna considering that in the first half of 99, such luminaries as The Godfather and Road Dogg had short forgettable "reigns." If anything, the Chyna/Jarrett feud put some heat back on the title and in 2000, the superworkers like Angle, Benoit, and Jericho all started having memorable matches for the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 Skipped thst part. I do love the running gag of austin owing people beers for leaving his phone on during the podcast. I eagerly await the day I meet him at a bar. For all the times it's happened I'd be pretty hammered if that happened. Around what time did he talk hip hop? That would be the only part I'd care to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Sure you can. The IC Title's regarded as #2 by rep rather than reality. Its value really started fluctuating towards irrelevance around the time Chyna won it actually. The IC belt was pretty strong when Shamrock was champ. It was hurt by the series of quick changes from Road Dogg to Goldust to Godfather. But Jarrett helped build it back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Daily reminder: Ken Shamrock was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Woman hating Double J with absolutely no subtlety whatsoever was his best work until maybe MMA Double J. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Was there ever any confirmation on that whole "Jeff Jarrett was supposed to feud with Stone Cold, but Stone Cold veto' it" thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Jeff Jarrett is an incredibly underrated talent. If he hadn't left the WWF and been the face of Russo led WCW and TNA, he might be better remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeCaesar Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I think Austin had him stonewalled though. Why? No one seems to know and its the one topic Stone Cold doesn't ever really address on his podcast. He talked around the situation once but never even mentioned Jarrett by name. I've always fondly looked back on the Double J gimmick. Could be my mid 90s nostalgia, but I miss the tongue in cheek silliness of things like a wrestler using the WWF to springboard to country music success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Even if you watch WCW and TNA, you can see that Jarrett is a great heel (and a decent babyface). Jarrett's association with Russo tainted him more than anything. He wasn't helped by being the main guy in two TERRIBLY booked eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I could swear Austin did talk about the Jarrett thing once. Maybe when he was a guest on someone else's show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 It was based on Jerry Jarret's notoriously shitty payoffs, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEN! Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 There's a story about Austin being upset about his check and just standing in the hall looking down at it and Jeff Jarrett walked by and told him that staring at it won't make it any bigger. Also, when Jarrett returned from WCW he did a worked shoot and mentioned Austin 3:16 being blasphemous or something and the story is that Austin took that as Jarrett trying to sabotage his merch money so he refused to ever work with him. Being Intercontinental Champion used to make the holder the automatic #1 contender to the WWF World Title. They actually headlined tours with IC Title matches. Later with Austin/Rock/Triple H it seemed like a legit springboard to something bigger. Then it just turned into garnish. That Jarrett/Chyna feud wasn't about the IC Title. I didn't even remember that Chyna beat Jarrett for the IC Title. I actually remembered her winning it in a tag match beating Trish Stratus which is even worse. Maggle Cole can namedrop former IC Champions in the HOF all day but there hasn't been a point in being IC Champ for a long time. Nobody believes Bad News Barrett is a contender to the World Title. I can't even remember who he beat or how long he's had it. I saw a picture of Big E with the belt and couldn't remember if he had actually been champion before. Shit, Jericho's held it like 10 times but if you put a gun to my head I doubt I could tell you anything about him winning or losing it. The title's importance has just been diluted so much with too many changes with too little consequence over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I'll be honest, I don't remember wwf ever running with the IC champ being the automatic number 1 contender other than the Apter mags saying it. Now the NWA/WCW US champion is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I'll be honest, I don't remember wwf ever running with the IC champ being the automatic number 1 contender other than the Apter mags saying it.Yeah, that's never happened very often. In the entire history of the belt, there's been 73 IC champions, in a total of 150 championship reigns. Out of all those guys, only 16 IC titleholders later went on to win any world heavyweight championships. (I'm not counting guys who had already been world champs before they won the midcard belt for the first time, like Pedro Morales or The Miz or whoever.) That comes out to only 22% of Intercontinental champions going on to later win the World/WWE/ECW belts, which ain't exactly a high number. In fact, it was almost a decade from the belt's creation in 1979 until Savage won the world title in 1988 that it even happened for the first time. So, the WWE's traditional claim that the IC champ is the #1 contender is total "Hogan was the first man to ever slam Andre when he did it in the Silverdome" revisionist bullshit hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Mark Henry at a Jewish wedding lifting a Peter Rosenberg's FIL-in-a-chair with one arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I'll be honest, I don't remember wwf ever running with the IC champ being the automatic number 1 contender other than the Apter mags saying it.Yeah, that's never happened very often. In the entire history of the belt, there's been 73 IC champions, in a total of 150 championship reigns. Out of all those guys, only 16 IC titleholders later went on to win any world heavyweight championships. (I'm not counting guys who had already been world champs before they won the midcard belt for the first time, like Pedro Morales or The Miz or whoever.) That comes out to only 22% of Intercontinental champions going on to later win the World/WWE/ECW belts, which ain't exactly a high number. In fact, it was almost a decade from the belt's creation in 1979 until Savage won the world title in 1988 that it even happened for the first time. So, the WWE's traditional claim that the IC champ is the #1 contender is total "Hogan was the first man to ever slam Andre when he did it in the Silverdome" revisionist bullshit hype.So, 1) I'm not sure Miz is your best example, since going from midcard belt to top belt is pretty much exactly his career arc, he just had the US belt rather than the IC title, 2) Even when the IC title was a big deal, WWF/E never "automatically" made the IC champ #1 contender, which is literally what the person you're replying to just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StretchMediatedHypertrophy Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Jeff Jarrett is an incredibly underrated talent. If he hadn't left the WWF and been the face of Russo led WCW and TNA, he might be better remembered. There's some truth in that, but Jim Cornette was right on this one when he stated that Jarrett 'isn't a lead, he's the best friend'. He's a good solid #2 guy but he's a pretty crappy Darth Vader. Almost all his best work comes from when he's not actually trying to be the top guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 then again, in the Memphis universe, there's Lawler at the top, Dundee/Dutch/The Jarretts as supporting characters to whatever Lawler is doing, then there's the visiting heels for the month or so. Cornette uses the same "man who works with the draw" comparison for Triple H too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offspring515 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Jeff Jarrett is an incredibly underrated talent. If he hadn't left the WWF and been the face of Russo led WCW and TNA, he might be better remembered. There's some truth in that, but Jim Cornette was right on this one when he stated that Jarrett 'isn't a lead, he's the best friend'. He's a good solid #2 guy but he's a pretty crappy Darth Vader. Almost all his best work comes from when he's not actually trying to be the top guy. He's not Denzel... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bink_winkleman Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 So...I really enjoyed the second Rosenberg podcast. Just a great conversation, though I'm guessing not as fun for those who don't do Cheap Heat. He teased the HBK one being about his new Jesus book, so I may be fine just listening to Michaels on Y2J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I wonder how much overlap there will between the sustin show and jericho one. I expect plenty of ranch tALK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Not much overlap, Austin talks about his random subjects while Jericho mostly focuses on their 2008 work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Does he mention the Stossal incident? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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