Tabe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Pete said: I wanted Minnesota to take Floyd home but Cooper DeJean (Iowa KR) got hosed so badly. It was a brutal call by the refs. It was the right call. It sucks but the rule is "An invalid signal is any waving signal by a player of Team B that does not meet the requirements of [a valid fair catch]." Iowa PR clearly waved and it clearly wasn't a valid fair catch signal (above his head). There's really no debate here. Also, Iowa had TWO years in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Defense might be saving Penix and company with a bigger pick six from deep in their own end. I think MHJ and maybe JJ are gonna move up a bit in the Heisman watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian Fowler said: Defense might be saving Penix and company with a bigger pick six from deep in their own end. I think MHJ and maybe JJ are gonna move up a bit in the Heisman watch. I can't believe ASU didn't take the points on that 4th & 3. And, boy, did ASU get hosed on a picked up PI before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 59 minutes ago, Tabe said: I can't believe ASU didn't take the points on that 4th & 3. And, boy, did ASU get hosed on a picked up PI before that. You can make a decent argument that Washington has now won two games mostly because teams want to go for it in the redzone on 4th and 3 instead of kicking field goals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 That Iowa call was an alltime bad call. We say that about every week but dang. I can’t even think of how they’re going to explain it. Usually you know what they’re going to say. You know they’re full of crap, but you do know what they’re going to say to tread water. This time I don’t even know. As for my Seminoles, it’s a good thing that barnyard football is the thing going now because that’s what we play and that’s what bails us out even when we mess up doing it. We mess up but it’s always just a matter of time until whoever we’re playing does something else barnyard style and blows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I don't know if it will last, but right now the Wikipedia page for the Michigan/Michigan State rivalry has in the notable games category listed 2023: Hail vs Heil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) The Michigan State Hitler goof was mentioned so How about Miami only about 20 yards away from a game winning FG and deciding to play for OT. Yikes. But they won so I guess smart strategy? Edited October 22, 2023 by hammerva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 UNC losing to UVA is bad but I am not complaining about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 At least the ACC is getting upsets in their “totally not Raycom” CW games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 12 hours ago, Tabe said: It was the right call. It sucks but the rule is "An invalid signal is any waving signal by a player of Team B that does not meet the requirements of [a valid fair catch]." Iowa PR clearly waved and it clearly wasn't a valid fair catch signal (above his head). There's really no debate here. Also, Iowa had TWO years in the second half. I know what you meant to say but that really is what it felt like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Townsend Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Hit of the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 11 hours ago, BloodyChamp said: That Iowa call was an alltime bad call. We say that about every week but dang. I can’t even think of how they’re going to explain it. Usually you know what they’re going to say. You know they’re full of crap, but you do know what they’re going to say to tread water. This time I don’t even know. The explanation is easy - read the rulebook. It's literally there in black & white. You can argue the rule is dumb or whatever but the call was right and it's not even slightly debatable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 the arguments i've seen online about the Iowa call seem to involve either 1) refs don't make that call often (and in this case, they wouldn't have made the call if not for having to review a scoring play) 2) the vagueness of what that means 3) the fact that the referee handling this game has been suspended in the past for not knowing the rules on his calls (Central Michigan/Oklahoma State in 2016) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 at least Arkansas' former OC also coordinated a bad offense yesterday (TCU losing big to K-State and only scoring 3 points) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 58 minutes ago, Tabe said: The explanation is easy - read the rulebook. It's literally there in black & white. You can argue the rule is dumb or whatever but the call was right and it's not even slightly debatable. If he’d have waved for a fair catch you’d be right but he didn’t do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Quinn Ewers has some kind of shoulder sprain/separation on his right (throwing) shoulder. Not sure of the grade yet, he was getting an MRI today, but likely out anywhere from 2-6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: the arguments i've seen online about the Iowa call seem to involve either 1) refs don't make that call often (and in this case, they wouldn't have made the call if not for having to review a scoring play) 2) the vagueness of what that means 3) the fact that the referee handling this game has been suspended in the past for not knowing the rules on his calls (Central Michigan/Oklahoma State in 2016) I think it was the absolute right call in the letter of the law way, but not necessarily in the spirit of the rule way. I don't think he was trying to call fair catch, but if the coverage team hit him it would have been called a penalty, so you can't let him return that punt. It sucks, because he was just trying to communicate with his teammates who couldn't see the ball, but waving like that could easily be interpreted as a fair catch by the coverage team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On one hand, I know, they haven't played anybody. On the other, Michigan is the first team in 30 years, and third in the AP poll era, to have scored at least 325 points and given up 50 or less in their first 8 games. (Michigan is at exactly 325 scored and 47 allowed.) I think it's this weird state where both things are true about Michigan. They haven't played anybody yet, but they are also beating their weak schedule at a historic level. 8 straight 30+ scored, 10 or less allowed games. Pretty much every statistical and productive model has them as the best team in the country so far. Etc. It can and is absolutely true that Michigan both has serious questions about quality of opposition and look like the best team in the country so far this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 hours ago, BloodyChamp said: If he’d have waved for a fair catch you’d be right but he didn’t do that. He waved. And, as you said, it wasn't for a fair catch. That makes it illegal. It's undeniable that he waved. It wasn't over his head, therefore illegal. The rule is literally "any waving (that isn't a legal fair catch signal" is illegal. That's what he did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Remember, the call was specifically that he did an "invalid fair catch signal." It definitely feels like it was the correct call at least by the letter of the rule. I have no idea how often that is actually enforced though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyChamp Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Players, often the return man, wave off the other players every game when they let the ball go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 In a few years, we're going to get commercials about watching that Minnesota/Iowa game from the same law firms that bring you commercials for mesothelioma and drinking the water at Camp Lejune. "Did you watch the Gophers/Hawkeyes game in 2023? You may be entitled to significant financial compensation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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