twiztor Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, BrianS81177 said: So I pose the same question to those of you on here who, like me, have cut the cord with WWE. What, if anything, could they do that would bring you back? excitement. spontaneity. great matches. storylines that hook me. lose some of the "slick"ness or "over produced" feel of the show. i tune in yearly for Royal Rumble and WrestleMania. both shows would really have to blow me away, on top of months of positive press (here and other places), for me to watch whatever the post-Mania PPV event is. the point (to me) is that the show isn't for me anymore. They've booked towards kids for years now, and all the shininess and quick camera cuts turn me away. i'm not their target audience, and since i'm well into my 30s, it never will be again. that's fine from my perspective, there's plenty of wrestling from the 80s and 90s that i haven't even seen yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I just went out for a moment, and they were chirping Lacey Evans out on the radio. There's your real heel, ya nasties! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I think the appeal of MJF's work is that he chooses to step over the line from time to time with his work, that plenty of his peers choose to play it safe with (or have it chosen by their employer that they shouldn't). If you choose to believe that cancel-culture is a real thing, and I assume most promotions/networks do, he willingly oversteps that line constantly that wasn't there 30 years ago. So whilst, yes, I'm sure people play along as a tribute to the quality of his work, I think people also appreciate/respect that there is a level of risk to what he does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: I think the appeal of MJF's work is that he chooses to step over the line from time to time with his work, that plenty of his peers choose to play it safe with (or have it chosen by their employer that they shouldn't). My thing is I want him more over the line. I want him to really make some people uncomfortable. But it's 2019, so nobody wants to touch the hot stove. Right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: My thing is I want him more over the line. I want him to really make some people uncomfortable. But it's 2019, so nobody wants to touch the hot stove. Right or wrong. He DID flip off that handicapped dude a few weeks back....... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 He also told a guy in a wheelchair at a Q and A LOOK AT WHAT I CAN DO and stood up 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Peck said: He DID flip off that handicapped dude a few weeks back....... Saw it. Wasn’t impressed. That stove can get warmer. 7 minutes ago, Tromatagon said: He also told a guy in a wheelchair at a Q and A LOOK AT WHAT I CAN DO and stood up Okay, that’s closer to the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I don't think TNT is going to be eager to offend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I think this can go here. John Oliver just won an Emmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I don't think TNT is going to be eager to offend. Or the EVPs, unfortunately. 1 minute ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I think this can go here. John Oliver just won an Emmy. Hasn’t he been on a streak with that award? Did he submit the WWE episode? Feels like a TV thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Yeah, you can't really be a heel in the ways that would get genuine heat because sponsors and network heads won't allow that to happen. The reason that fans don't feel primal hatred for heels is that heels can't be genuinely deplorable people of the type that you might actually hate in real life. You can get away with writing characters like that in every other scripted show outside of pro wrestling at least some of the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said: The reason that fans don't feel primal hatred for heels is that heels can't be genuinely deplorable people of the type that you might actually hate in real life. You can get away with writing characters like that in every other scripted show outside of pro wrestling at least some of the time. Unfortunately for pro wrestling the media views it as "HAHA silly fake fighting you idiots" but also "He crossed the line and should be fired!" at the same time... Characters are fake until the media decides they want them to be real. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) And even among real characters, Fox has stumbled into a situation where Tucker’s white supremacy is untouchable and won’t be cancelled. Wresting is held to a higher standard than the shit Tucker says on TV five nights a week. What a world we live in. Edited September 23, 2019 by West Newbury Bad Boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I'd be curious to see how he went in a WWE environment where there is such limitations on what he can do, and the exceptionally public endings of kayfabe. Is he hypothetically as good a heel as Miz was, if you're seeing him do Make A Wish clips every Raw? It's a bit like how no-one gave a shit about Mike Awesome after he was no longer the biggest guy on the roster powerbombing everyone else through tables and braining them with chairs. To play devil's advocate - there's generally a disassociation between someone being a good worker just because they legitimately beat the shit out of people, is he necessarily a good character if he's not necessarily playing a character either? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: To play devil's advocate - there's generally a disassociation between someone being a good worker just because they legitimately beat the shit out of people, is he necessarily a good character if he's not necessarily playing a character either? I vote to start up a fed where there's only tough surly bastards potatoing each other. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I vote to start up a fed where there's only tough surly bastards potatoing each other. Best take you’ve ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I vote to start up a fed where there's only tough surly bastards potatoing each other. With strict BMI level limitations of "Butterbean" or above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: With strict BMI level limitations of "Butterbean" or above? Now I need to rewatch Andre/Hansen from 1981. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 It's just basically what the Big Japan STRONG division is like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 52 minutes ago, Tromatagon said: He also told a guy in a wheelchair at a Q and A LOOK AT WHAT I CAN DO and stood up That's fucking tremendous. I'll bet the guy in wheelchair has a good laugh about it now too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 "Nacho Libre." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB-13 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) Sad thing is that now WWE is not only "their show doesn't do much for me" but also "their fans aren't people I want to be around". Edited September 23, 2019 by PB-13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Look at Koko. It's like he's going nuts at a garage sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Tromatagon said: He also told a guy in a wheelchair at a Q and A LOOK AT WHAT I CAN DO and stood up Since when did cheap heat become a good thing? Is any heat from apathetic smark crowds classed as a plus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I think the long and the short of it is the most of WWE mainstream programming is just bad TV. The only people left watching it are those that love wrestling, and the cool stuff wrestlers do is it. If there was a show on tv with as many terrible story lines and fake characters with horribly scripted lines as Raw that wasn't pro wrestling it would be cancelled in two minutes because nobody would watch it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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