Gonzalez Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Really why do the move at all? "Taking ownership" doesn't sound like a good excuse. Training the young fans who have no idea what we're talking about that the move is just a move. 3 months after the murders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Gotta start some time. Though, granted, it was really weird to break it out when they did. And I think Yamato was doing Benoit tribute moves in Dragon Gate around the same time period too. It's odd all around. You know what I think is really strange? That Benoit's finish started getting used by guys not long after the murders, but Goldberg hasn't done shit in ages and no one's using the Jackhammer. WTF? Big E Langston has that shit Belly Cutter finish when he should be Jackhammering dudes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Billy Gunn is the only other guy in a major US company that I can remember using the Jackhammer. Someone really needs to be wrecking fools with it. Maybe Titus O should pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w. josh Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I think the problem there is that every bald jacked-up guy in wrestling gets "Goooold-beeeerg" chants even though the man hasn't done anything in wrestling in ages. Anyone big enough and intimidating enough to use the jackhammer effectively (so, not Billy Gunn) is going to get the chant ad nauseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Didn't Test use the Jackhammer briefly too? Of course, this had to be 12 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I think Ryback should have started doing it as soon as he turned heel just to fuck with those fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Big E Langston has that shit Belly Cutter finish when he should be Jackhammering dudes. Others have suggested he use the Pounce. Look personally I can't forgive what Benoit did to his family, and I haven't watched a match of his in years because of what happened. But I'm a fan, I didn't work with him, or knew him personally. But I'm sure some of the wrestlers that did work with him, and knew him very personally do still care deeply about him, and what he ended up doing to his legacy. Also now that I think about it. If Shawn is the Christian he says he is(which I believe he is) he most likely did the Crossface as a way of I saying "I forgive him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 They would never do it, but if Big E used the Steiner Screwdriver, he would be a superstar. At the very least, let him use a vertical suplex into a powerslam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Sure, I mean that makes sense. I can't imagine how confusing it must have been for all of those guys. Jericho, in particular, seems to have created these two Chris's, the one that he loved like a brother and the one that did this horrible thing. And I guess that's what you have to do if you were that close to him. I don't know what the right response is, because thankfully I've never been in that spot. I know that I've watched one or two matches of his since then, and only just a year or so ago, and I can't stop thinking about it. My brain is going "Wow he's doing great work with DDP," and at the same time yelling "He killed his family!" the whole match. I can separate the two in my criticism of the work, but I can't enjoy it anymore as a fan so I don't bother trying to watch his stuff now. Also, I've suggested the fucking Pounce a billion million times. Stop using shitty moves and use moves that no one is using that are fucking kick ass. Stupid wrestlers with their Playmakers and Whirlygigs. Sunset flip 123 get the fuck out of there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Jones Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 At the very least, let him use a vertical suplex into a powerslam. So... a jackhammer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 No, that other move Goldberg did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 No, that other move Goldberg did. This move? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Man, remember the pump handle fad of the late 90's? That was weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 My favorite thing, was how huge power moves that looked devastating when you first saw them became routine because the guys aping them didn't have the same snap and aggression on them. Pretty much all of Goldberg's moveset looked pedestrian when others did them and they became generic power moves. Same for the Meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'd like to see someone start using the Stump Puller as a finisher. I don't think I've seen anyone use it since Big Bully Busick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookieghana Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I decided to do some WWF snowflake analysis with match lengths to investigate how much did longer matches and higher meltzer star ratings correlated.http://indeedwrestling.blogspot.com/2013/10/systematic-analysis-of-meltzer-ratings.htmltl;dr version = there is a definite progression where the all the metrics (25th to 75th quartiles) all move in lockstep with the star rating; however, if you just look at the scatter plot it reinforces that there there is a still a huge amount of variation which completely obfuscates the relationship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 So, what is the shortest Meltzer five-star match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 So, what is the shortest Meltzer five-star match? Click the link, fascinating stuff. But the shortest 5 star match is 18:09. Mookieghana is the pro wrestling Nate Silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookieghana Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 So, what is the shortest Meltzer five-star match? Click the link, fascinating stuff. But the shortest 5 star match is 18:09. Mookieghana is the pro wrestling Nate Silver. I should have noted that you can see the matches from the dataset in length from shortest to longest on the supplemental data page. or you can just look at snowflake tallies from indeedwrestling.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Billy Gunn is the only other guy in a major US company that I can remember using the Jackhammer. Someone really needs to be wrecking fools with it. Maybe Titus O should pick it up. I seem to remember Batista doing it a couple of times as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Man, remember the pump handle fad of the late 90's? That was weird. Sitting out was all the rage in the early to mid aughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookieghana Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'd like to see someone start using the Stump Puller as a finisher. I don't think I've seen anyone use it since Big Bully Busick. Didn't Doink also use it after him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'd like to see someone start using the Stump Puller as a finisher. I don't think I've seen anyone use it since Big Bully Busick. Didn't Doink also use it after him? Come to think of it, you are correct, sir! Now I find myself missing heel Doink... *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 At the very least, let him use a vertical suplex into a powerslam. So... a jackhammer? Haha, not exactly. I'm talking about something that's more of a two part move, whereas the Jackhammer smoothly flows into the slam part. I was just thinking of something a bit more neutered for WWE's tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 They really should give that suplex into a stunner that R-Truth uses as a transition move and give it to someone for a finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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