Brian Fowler Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yes. Yes they have. Several significantly better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yes. Yes they have. Several significantly better. The only argument I could see would be for the Avengers, but the only way that works is if you ignore how irrelevant Cap is, how stupid everyone else is, and how contrived the final act is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 IM, Cap, and Avengers are all vastly superior movies with better scripts, better plots, better acting, and much better directing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Ultimately, I think one movie is going to move in May 2016. I'm not really worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Jones Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I'm not a DC fan! DC has two people worth caring about and the rest are terrible. It's just that those two guys piss all over Marvels guys and people in here never get it. I'd have Batman Begins and The Dark Knight over all Marvel Studios films. Batman is the best superhero of all time but after the Bat-family and his rogues gallery, I prefer more Marvel superheroes. I don't give a shit about sides. I like comic book films from DC and Marvel to do well providing they deserve to. I'd agree with that. Barman and Superman over all, then Marvels guys, then the rest of DC. Rogues make the superhero, and by that definition, Superman fucking sucks. Would be like if Goku's arch-nemesis was Dr. Briefs. This is a common misconception and if anything is one of the many myths that people who just write Superman off because "he's invincible!" always spout. First of all, Lex Luthor is one of the greatest villains of all-time, no matter what the medium. An alien comes to earth and is the perfect example of everything humanity should be. A genius level human finds this to be the greatest affront to humankind imaginable and does everything he can to bring an end to this mockery of what a normal person can accomplish. He battles the strongest creature on earth with his mind. It's perfect. Bizarro. Once again with Superman you have to get creative and subversive with his rogues. It can't just be Batman "they're cool and creepy!" character designs. Bizarro is one of the most interesting villains in any comic. He can go from funny to terrifying in two pages. He is essentially the Willial Regal of comic villains. Mr Mxyzpltk is another great example of how you have to think creatively to make a great Superman villain. They can't just be "oh man, can Superman beat this guy up??" That is the archetype of so many comics over the course of history, but the most iconic comic ever avoids this cliche much of the time. Except with Doomsday, the one badass who is a straight forward world killer, and you know what? He fucking KILLS SUPERMAN. Oh yeah, and then there's Darkseid, Toyman, Zod, Parasite.. but yeah Superman's villains suck. He can't compete with the Mad Hatter, a small weird man who drugs children with tea, or Zsasz, a serial killer because... well yeah he can be. I fucking love Batman but the sad truth is without the Animated Series, his rogues gallery is the most overrated ever. The re-imagined origin stories for those characters is why our generation blindly follows that mindset that the very phrase "rogues gallery" = Batman. Just in terms of comics, I'm not even sure if he'd rank in my top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Unless Winter Soldier makes way more money than I expect it to, I think Cap 3 moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 The X-Men have the best rogues gallery ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Flash, clearly. The Rogues, Zoom, and motherfucking GRODD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Dick Tracy has the best Rouges Gallery. Everyone else is fighting for second. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I thought Luthor hated Superman because he accidentally made Luthor's hair fall out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I'm not a DC fan! DC has two people worth caring about and the rest are terrible. It's just that those two guys piss all over Marvels guys and people in here never get it. I'd have Batman Begins and The Dark Knight over all Marvel Studios films. Batman is the best superhero of all time but after the Bat-family and his rogues gallery, I prefer more Marvel superheroes. I don't give a shit about sides. I like comic book films from DC and Marvel to do well providing they deserve to. I'd agree with that. Barman and Superman over all, then Marvels guys, then the rest of DC. Rogues make the superhero, and by that definition, Superman fucking sucks. Would be like if Goku's arch-nemesis was Dr. Briefs. This is a common misconception and if anything is one of the many myths that people who just write Superman off because "he's invincible!" always spout. First of all, Lex Luthor is one of the greatest villains of all-time, no matter what the medium. An alien comes to earth and is the perfect example of everything humanity should be. A genius level human finds this to be the greatest affront to humankind imaginable and does everything he can to bring an end to this mockery of what a normal person can accomplish. He battles the strongest creature on earth with his mind. It's perfect. Bizarro. Once again with Superman you have to get creative and subversive with his rogues. It can't just be Batman "they're cool and creepy!" character designs. Bizarro is one of the most interesting villains in any comic. He can go from funny to terrifying in two pages. He is essentially the Willial Regal of comic villains. Mr Mxyzpltk is another great example of how you have to think creatively to make a great Superman villain. They can't just be "oh man, can Superman beat this guy up??" That is the archetype of so many comics over the course of history, but the most iconic comic ever avoids this cliche much of the time. Except with Doomsday, the one badass who is a straight forward world killer, and you know what? He fucking KILLS SUPERMAN. Oh yeah, and then there's Darkseid, Toyman, Zod, Parasite.. but yeah Superman's villains suck. He can't compete with the Mad Hatter, a small weird man who drugs children with tea, or Zsasz, a serial killer because... well yeah he can be. I fucking love Batman but the sad truth is without the Animated Series, his rogues gallery is the most overrated ever. The re-imagined origin stories for those characters is why our generation blindly follows that mindset that the very phrase "rogues gallery" = Batman. Just in terms of comics, I'm not even sure if he'd rank in my top 5. Everything in this post is wrong. Bizarro, Zod, and Doomsday all share essentially the same powers, those of Supes, regardless of their origin. Of course if you compare Bats B-class villains with Supes Class A it makes for a better argument, but quite frankly, there's no comparison with Joker, Two Face, Ra's, Bane, etc. Shit, even Vegeta's M.O. is more compelling than Luthor having to join the hair club for men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Captain America: First Avenger is solid but it does not sniff The Dark Knight. I would listen to opinions on the matter but I doubt they'd sway my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 Two hosts of IGN's movie podcast saw Cap 2. They're under embargo so they couldn't give a full review, but they said "One of the best, maybe THE BEST, Marvel movie yet." I've kept check on the reactions but there's no full reviews because of the embargo. Most I've read say it's one of the best Marvel Studios films, some say it's the best. Better than Iron Man and Avengers Assemble. I am a lifelong die in the woods DC fanboy. The last DC movie better than First Avenger came out in 1978. Have to disagree with you there mate. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight if its strictly live action. If not, I'd add Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. The X-Men have the best rogues gallery ever. FUCKIN' BATMAN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Everyone here is going to see both movies right? I'm most likely going to see both movies on the first day. What if you're puking sick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Captain America: First Avenger is solid but it does not sniff The Dark Knight. I would listen to opinions on the matter but I doubt they'd sway my own. The Dark Knight is barely a superhero movie, and the only really compelling thing about it is Ledger's performance. The rest is mainly a run of the mill mob movie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 World War II without Nazis.... okay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Oh, there were Nazis, but they were sending the Super Soldier against the science villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Captain America: First Avenger is solid but it does not sniff The Dark Knight. I would listen to opinions on the matter but I doubt they'd sway my own. The Dark Knight is barely a superhero movie, and the only really compelling thing about it is Ledger's performance. The rest is mainly a run of the mill mob movie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Captain America ran into the same problems as most of these Marvel films. Red Skull never posed much of a threat. I could do without the montages also. They fast-forwarded through the war in like ten minutes. Joker was executing mob guys, blowing up loved ones, knocking off politicians, basically terrorizing the entire city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 There was a war in Captain America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligerbusa Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I am a lifelong die in the woods DC fanboy. The last DC movie better than First Avenger came out in 1978. Captain America: First Avenger is solid but it does not sniff The Dark Knight. I would listen to opinions on the matter but I doubt they'd sway my own. The Dark Knight is barely a superhero movie, and the only really compelling thing about it is Ledger's performance. The rest is mainly a run of the mill mob movie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Captain America ran into the same problems as most of these Marvel films. Red Skull never posed much of a threat. I could do without the montages also. They fast-forwarded through the war in like ten minutes. That was so egregious! They fast forwarded through the best part of the story. I think you're being generous with the 10 minutes timeframe, too. It's a huge detriment to the story because it snuffed out any genuine sense of camaraderie between Cap, Bucky, and the Howlin Commandos. When the Commandos are sitting around all sad at the end, you really don't feel anything for them, because the movie doesn't really establish a relationship there. They're being sad because the main character has died and movies require that everyone be sad when the main character dies; it's not born out of any actual character. I think one of the smarter things Marvel has done in the buildup to the sequel is not really playing up a mystery about who the Winter Soldier is. They haven't outright said it's Bucky, but they're not really trying to hide it either. Smart. Because if you played up a big mystery for the general public and then revealed it as Movie Bucky, it would've landed like a turd in rancid water. "Um...so...he was that guy...who was kinda-sorta friends with Cap, I guess...Okay, sure." The first Cap movie suggests more of a relationship between the two than it actually shows, which is a big problem, and a bigger one if you're trying to create a big reveal moment in the sequel. Which they're smartly not. Even the relationship with Carter is kind of a wash until the great scene at the end, which, much like the scene at the end of the first Thor movie with Thor and Jane looking out across space for each other, goes a long way toward making you overlook that it was a pretty generic, shallow love story up until that point. (Even if you remain unconvinced that Cap actually had to go down with the plane in that situation.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Natural Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 Me likey this Agent Carter TV series update: http://www.nerdist.com/2014/03/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-writers-offer-an-update-on-abcs-agent-carter-series/ Hayley Atwell's great as Agent Peggy Carter and Agent Carter is the best Marvel One-Shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Sounds like they have a good plan. We'll see if actually comes together as a good show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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